Talk:International Workers' Day/Archives/2018

Workers' Day merge

There is a long-standing proposal to merge Workers' Day here; seems like a very good idea, given that its all a very similar (or identical) holiday. Perhasp just adding 'Workers'Day as a synonym would be sufficient. See also the very brief 2010 comment at Talk:Workers' Day. Klbrain (talk) 22:09, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support: the name might be different but it's clearly part of the same holiday/celebration around the world based on May 1st. The brief (unsourced) paragraph on South Africa could easily be incorporated into the relevant section in this article – I can't see anything else that would be lost by merging. Richard3120 (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done Klbrain (talk) 12:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Categorization

Having been reverted by Malik Shabazz in my removal of Category:Anti-capitalism and Category:Communism, I am wondering why. In particular, I am wondering how he reconciles the status quo with our categorization guidelines, including WP:SUBCAT (which provides that, with the exception of non-diffusing subcategories, "an article should be categorised as low down in the category hierarchy as possible, without duplication in parent categories above it"). 142.161.81.20 (talk) 22:37, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Which subcat(s) of Category:Communism does this article belong to that make that category unnecessary? — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:14, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Map incorrect

Thailand shown in map as not celebrating Labor Day. They do: today is May 1, and lots of places are shut down for it. https://publicholidays.asia/thailand/2018-dates/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.183.104.181 (talk) 02:33, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

The map is incorrect for a lot of countries. It seems that at least Poland, Denmark, Sweden, Slovenia, Thailand, Armenia and Sri Lanka are marked wrongly. This is bad enough that I'll remove the map from the article until we have a corrected one. St.nerol (talk) 08:28, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

This page "uses up" a lot of Wikipedia pages in other languages, can we fix it?

Okay, this is arguably a problem with the way Wikidata is implemented, and the way Wikidata conceptualizes links between the "same page" in two different languages. However, Wikidata has a rather sensible object representational model that forces one-to-one links between any two languages, for example English and Spanish. The page that is "the same" in English and Spanish must be one-to-one in a database sense, and Wikidata does not allow many-to-one links, nor does it allow linking the entire Spanish-language article to just one subsection of the English-language article. This was a software compromise, and I think it was a good one. For Wikidata.

This particular English-language Wikipedia article ("International Workers' Day") is "using up" the ability to link correct pages in other languages. I just noticed this and fixed it for the following pair of articles, which are obviously the same article:

Labor Day in Spain (English Wikipedia)

Primero de Mayo en España (Spanish Wikipedia)

Those two articles relate to the same holiday (on May 1st) in just one country (Spain), and they are both full articles on just that topic. However, creating the link between these two articles was very hard, because one of them was "used up" linking to this page, which is a different thing. Spanish and English actually both chose the same scope, this is an article about an international holiday, and the two pages that I just linked (above) are about a specific holiday in Spain, and all four pages exist (two levels of specificity multiplied by two languages).

Unfortunately, fixing this problem requires people who speak all of the languages that were "used up" by this English Wikipedia article. Spanish had this problem in the most flagrant sense (all four pages existed, and the links were wrong), and a lot of people speak Spanish. One strength of English Wikipedia is that we have articles on "Labor Day in X Country" for probably the largest number of values of X. I "fixed" Spanish, so somebody from Colombia or Mexico can link the Colombia-specific or Mexico-specific pages if they exist in both English and Spanish. But this English article links to a huge number of non-English articles that are possibly not right. Look how many links this article has:

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q47499

Are those all the best (X Language)-English one-to-one pairings? There are 93 of them. It seems unlikely, if Spanish was not quite right.

Then again, even if you speak Romanian, you may be from Romania (hypothetically) and not realize that Moldova has it's own version of this holiday and it has Wikipedia articles in both Romanian and English, so we kind of need people who not only speak 93 languages, but who are from like 200 different countries. The prior example is actually not true, I do speak some Romanian, and the Romanian article linked from this article is correct, they are both internationally-focused. The Romanian article doesn't even have any photos from Romania, only other countries. The example actually might be true, I have no idea if they have a similar holiday in Moldova. I know absolutely nothing about holidays in Moldova.

Happy Labor Day in the United States and Canada only, the rest of you need to wait. Fluoborate (talk) 21:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Here is a slightly actionable suggestion, it is just my first idea: If you are moderately comfortable reading X Language, and the paged linked in X Language Wikipedia seems like the focus or scope is wrong, then delete the link and write in the discussion page in the other language, "I speak English, and the English Wikipedia page International Workers' Day is not the same as this page because (it is about multiple countries / it is not about X Country / it is mostly about May 1st / other reason)." Deleting the link makes it much easier to create a correct link. Adding a note to the discussion page in X Language makes it most likely that somebody who knows about holidays in countries that speak X Language will see your note, realize what is up with the English article, and fix it correctly. Fluoborate (talk) 22:15, 3 September 2018 (UTC)