Talk:International Talk Like a Pirate Day/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Geographical origin of the accent?

There is some part of the UK where the local accent is pirate-like. I know this is true because I once had a boss who's accent was so much like a pirate that I had a hard time not laughing at her (I'm Australian). Where is this accent from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.194.186 (talk) 15:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

The most likely accents are found in the south-west of England. Although to an untrained ear there are similarities between accents found in the counties of Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, and Somerset, there are a good number of very distinct and different ones. The area of coastline that is most often held to have piratical connections stretches from northern Cornwall (around Bude) around Land's End and, via south Devon, to the area around Poole in east Dorset.

There's a very wide range of separate and distinct accents along that coastline but a general tendency toward fringe nautical activities in fictional literature as well as real life. You won't go far wrong with Robert Newton, who nailed the screen role of Long John Silver. But remember that although Henry Morgan entered naval activity in Bristol, he was a native Welshman and probably sounded more like Tom Jones than he did Robert Newton (who did have strong Dorset and Cornish connections). JH49S (talk) 07:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Former high-traffic

{{high-traffic|date=16 September 2006|site=Slashdot|url=http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/16/204204}} YARRRR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.56.92.44 (talk) 15:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

made up?

International Talk Like a Pirate Day - looks like made up junk to me, the website link doesn't exist -- Tarquin 15:56, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Arrgh, I be supposin' that yonder site just be slashdotted, seein' as today be Talk Like a Pirate Day. I found me a site flyin' a British flag that may be easier. It passes the Google test. Don't make it walk the plank. -- Smerdis of Tlön 16:12, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- I never 'eard of it neither, but methinks lots of people do! http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030919 DJ Clayworth 17:14, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Ahoy me mateys, the site be up now! Me friend (Wikipedia-independent) tells me that today, they be talkin' like pirates at the U of W IRC. Shiver me timbers! -- Cyan 21:03, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- It may be stupid, but it's real, people have been doing that here all day (in London, Ontario). It's like Mole Day or Pi Day or stuff like that. Adam Bishop 21:14, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

And one year later, the day be alive and kickin' better'n King Neptune with a peg leg! Argh! Fishal 13:38, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Here too (well, now in Toronto rather than London) - we had a pirate-themed Latin exam to mark the occasion, if you can believe that. Adam Bishop 21:32, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Since this day is coming up, it might be nice to have a one liner on the main page on Sep 22.

I first heard about Talk Like A Pirate in 2002 before Dave Barry's column, from a friend. He claimed that his father's factory in Wellington had celebrated it a couple of times, after they heard about it from a new employee from a town called Oamaru, in New Zealand Hammerton 23:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sayings

Moved from main article:

Avast Ye Scurvy Scum
Ahoy Matey
Arggh I need a hamburger!
Aye, aye, captain
Dead men tell no tales
Grab thee a wench
Lily-livered land lubbers
Polly wanna cracker?
Shiver me timbers
Swab the deck
Yo ho, yo ho
Arr, Mateys!!
Arr ye barnicle encrusted bilage rats!

These really should be sourced on where they come from. This is an encyclopedia afterall. For example, where does "Arggh I need a hamburger!" come from? Or "Arr ye barnicle encrusted bilage rats!" .. Should we as Wikipedia editors invent sayings up that sound pirate-like? A couple of these I think can be sourced to Treasure Island. Stbalbach 05:19, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Should that be bilge rats? Jivlain 13:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it should. And barnacle. Polly Wanna Cracker is a 20th century novelty, not piratical. Creating such gash is only fit for ditching over the side into the oggin. Anyone engaging in such misdeeds is sailin' close to the wind, me buckos.JH49S (talk) 07:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Arrr

Mark Liberman has traced the first appearance of "Arrr!" to the 1950 movie Treasure Island. I've noted this in the main article, although the external link should probably moved to that section. Bill Jefferys 03:15, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I had changed 'Arrr' to 'Rrrr' in the main article, prompted by the fact that the Ergonomic Keyboard for Pirates lacks the 'A' key, but does have the 'R' key and a shift key. I see that someone has changed it back. I can live with it either way, but I rather like 'Rrrr' since anyone following the link to Liberman's article will find the picture of the keyboard. Bill Jefferys 17:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Both are used, Arrr is probably more common, following wikipedia convention, including both with the less used on in parens. --Stbalbach 02:21, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Gramer issue

In the last sentence of the first paragraph of the first section after the introduction there is a singular/plural issue it is said that several films were released but only one was mentioned. If there are multiple films (author) could you please name them. PiAndWhippedCream 04:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

What is "gramer"? —Quicksilver^{T @} 13:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Sid Meiers Pirates!

Yarr, me hearties! How can Sid have introduced this easter egg with the dialogue change in the game on September the 19th? The game was released in 1987 and the article mentions that both inventors of this holiday "invented" it in 1995. Or does this refer to the remake from 2004? --217.17.197.166 07:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Yarr, it does mean the remake, ye scallywag!

Lecture announcement

Regarding this edit:

In East Lothian, Rev Dr "Red Robin" Hill is holding a series of pirate-related events at his church for the 2006 TLAPD. [1]

It's inappropriate for Wikipedia - this is an encyclopedia not a community announcement board. -- Stbalbach 12:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

High Traffic Notice Removal

I sued the high traffic tempalte on this article (now on this talk page), as it was/is being linked from a high traffic site, was removed once by Stbalbach along with other material with the comment "(remove original research - remove ext-link unrelated to the holiday)", I restored it after that removal. This has been again removed, by anon 75.17.40.19 with the comment, "(Slashdotted is NOT for articles.)". I am not going to start a revert war over this, but would appreciate any insight here in to the removals (pinged both talk pages). The template does not specify where it should be placed, instead referencing this is an ongoing debate; if it is meant for talk pages, then it seems it would have been better to move it here, then just delete it. Thanks, — xaosflux ^Talk 02:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

There does seem to be some controversy about it being in main article space, and I agree it should be on the talk page - I was not aware of that when I removed it - I also removed it because 1) the linked slashdot article reference doesn't seem to be a main post, but rather a comment inside a slashdot thread, which isn't really that big of a deal, and 2) there has not been any notable increase in edits to the article to need the template - the template is to inform editors why there are a lot of edits going on, which has not been the case. If anything there will be a lot of edits because the holiday is the 19th and many sites will link to the article, not just slashdot, as happens every year. -- Stbalbach 03:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I took a second look, and see now it is indeed a main front page post on slashdot, and should thus have the template, my fault. I agree with anon the template should be on the talk page. -- Stbalbach 03:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply, going through the other high-traffic looks like talk is the defacto standard now too, oh well, this will be {{current}} in a few days as well ;) — xaosflux ^Talk 03:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The IP was me. I meant to move the tag to the talk page, but forgot about it, and the battery on my laptop ran dry a short while later. Sorry. Ral315 (talk) 04:32, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Marc Summers?

Does anyone know if this is the same Marc Summers who hosted Double Dare on Nickelodeon? 68.48.163.37 03:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't look like it. The season premiere of the American television show Wife Swap on 9/18/2006 actually featured Baur and Summers as pirates. The announcer mentioned that they were the creators of the day. Kyouryuu 04:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

That is correct. So, can someone tell me how to remove the link to the Nickolodean Marc Summers' Wikipedia page from References item No. 1 on this page? (I'm the webmaster for talklikeapirate.com, but a Wikipedia editing noob). Kightp 21:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:Piratey, vector version.svg

Mateys, does that carrrtoon poirate contribute much to the arrrrticle? I may 'ave to walk the plank for this, but I bain't see its usefulness. Arr!

(Seriously...does it? Unsure about the weird image description too) Billy H 03:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Why ye mutinous dog!! It be a fine portrayte an' stereotype of all we stand for.

(ooc: ahhh why not keep it :P) --Jquarry 05:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

While I be unsure about the caption, I'm feelin' that it's a pretty good rep'resentasion of the stereotypical pirate! He's not a-missin' the pegleg, parrot, or hook--three very important parts of the "stereotypical" pirate! I'll have ye keelhauled fer talk like that! --authraw 10:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia, isn't it? I didn't get pulled into Uncyclopedia by mistake?

Yargggh, begone, ye scurvy landlubber, or we'll make ye walk the plank! Sum0 13:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Bannanas?

Is Bannaaanas or this **** is Bannaaanas supposed to be on this page, or is it vandalizm? I will delete it, please, if it was supposed to be there, which I doubt, do not put it back, as it does not contribute to the article, and seems like vandalizm. | AndonicO 12:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, someone else already erased it, so I guess it was vandalism. | AndonicO 12:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Say...

Why is this page completely blank?--Mullon 13:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

More vandalism...

This code caused a series of obscene words to be repeated over and over on this page (I've substituted { for [ and \ for |)...

{{Image:Piratey, vector version.svg\thumb\right\Use {{Glossary of nautical terms\nautical talk}} and you just might get your mouth washed out with soap.}}

I'm sure it's vandalism, right?

209.98.117.186 13:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Notability

I've added the notability banner as the article does very little to justify that this is observed by anyone but its inventors. Please add something concrete and remove the banner.

You don't get on the internet much, do you.

The article also needs to be clearer on which bits are part of the joke and which bits are real (eg Is Robert Newton personally involved or not?) --88.111.33.202 15:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Yarr me matey! An example for popularity apart from the inventors would be todays UserFriendly Cartoon (it's an animated gif, wait 3-5 secs). I'm sure there are much more examples but this came to mind. --SoWhy ^Talk 15:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Did ye miss the Dave Barry reference, me ol' chum-scrubber? An' walk the plank over t' Google News and see the media references spannin' the seven seas. If I had a doubloon for each reference, I'd have 114 doubloons! Yarr! -- Coneslayer 15:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, it's featured on the front page of Yahoo! news this morning. Tachyon01 15:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

It was mentioned on CNN's American Morning today. Andy Serwer was wearing an eyepatch.207.250.7.194 15:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The people on the MMORPG Kingdom Of Loathing honor the pirate day.--68.176.138.83 15:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Yar, here be a press release in relation t'talk like a pirate day: http://www.responsesource.com/releases/rel_display.php?relid=27112&hilite= --170.28.224.114 15:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

If ye bothered to follow the link, you'd see Robert Newton, God rest 'is soul, was consigned to Davey Jones' Locker many a year ago. So it's unlikely he's involved personal in this special day. But I'm certain he be watchin' down on us from above, a crooked smile crossin' his weather beaten face... --Jquarry 22:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I walked into college this morning (West Yorkshire, England) and it was like walking onto a bloody galleon. It's widely observed here. Ultre 17:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Avast! Swabbies the world over be gallyvantin' 'round all acount of Talk Like a Pirate Day. YAR! Altair 16:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Avast, ye scurvy swab! If ye be havin' the gall to look upon yonder MSN home page, ye'll be seein' a link at the top to send a pirate day greeting card to yer mates. Methinks this solves everything, so make that bloody banner walk the plank already! Arr, landlubbers such as yerself should stick to editing articles on gardening or home decor. Here be the link: http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/display.pd?bfrom=1&prodnum=3063751&path=23728&va=1&source=msne110&GT1=8545

Arrr, seriously, me hearrrty, ITLAPD be one o' the most notable Internet holidays in all the seven seas... or something. Perhaps ye don't be gettin' out much, or, more likely, 'tis those o' us who be talkin' like pirates all day who need to be reassessin' our lives. I be removin' that banner now, since there be clearrr consensus. 69.140.12.199 19:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Arrr, the consensus be so clearrr that somebody else removed the tag while I was still writin'. I ought to keelhaul th' scurvy dog for stealin' me Wikiplunder! 69.140.12.199 19:25, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Especially add in the day after of the Userfriendly comic strip. 68.176.138.126 15:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Pastafarianism

The connection to Pastafarianism is irrelevant. Both are spoof holidays and that is about all there is. The fact the same people celebrate ITLAPD and Pastafarianism is non-notable. It might be relevant in an academic discussion of spoof holidays (and religions). I'm sure people who celebrate ITLAPD do other wacky things too - dress up like zombies, flash mob, read Bob Dobbs etc.. it's irrelevant to the holiday. -- Stbalbach 18:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually... The connection is not irrelevant. The "FSM Gospel" mentions pirates throughout, and specifically points out ITLAPD in at least one place. Spoofs or not, ITLAPD is celebrated and is connected to FSM. Motor.on 20:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

spoof holidays (and religions) How can there be any such thing as a spoof holiday or religion?--Vidkun 18:03, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Happy ITLaP Day

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr! --Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Please note that the discussion page for International Talk Like a Pirate Day is serious business and any actual talking like a pirate, even in fun, is inappropriate and strictly forbidden. Also yarr. --einexile 20:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Forbidden?! Why ye lilly-livered landlubber, such a discourse as I set me eyes on herein IS appropriate to the subject. I for one will be honoring this most auspicious occassion in every media I be in, till me dyin' day. --Jquarry 21:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Gaharr, it be over now anyway. Bugger. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξ φ 09:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Notability again

I'm putting the notability tag back because none of the stuff mentioned in the notability discussion on this page appears in the actual article, which is the only thing that matters. Please fix the article before removing it. --Dtcdthingy 15:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why this article has been tagged as possibly being non-notable. A Google search for "talk like a pirate day" [2] turns up some 2,980,000 pages and "international talk like a pirate day" turns up 648,000 pages [3]. What else is needed for notability? Do you need more citations? --authraw 19:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, never mind--I missed your last post. How would one go about adding those into the article? Would it be sufficient to add the links to the "References" or "External Links" sections? --authraw 19:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

That is ridiculous. We don't need to list every time the holiday is mentioned in the press. We don't list every time Christmas is mentioned in the press. The reason the links are not in the article is because they don't need to be in the article, there is no reason for them to be in the article because they are not used in the article for citation purposes. Notability has been established on the talk page, and if your not satisfied (ie you haven't bothered to look it up yourself), I'll list dozens of further links and references. Wikipedia has a lot of problems, the notability of this holiday is not one of them, please don't be a nuisance. -- Stbalbach 21:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Let me also say, adding links to an article for the sole reason of achieving someones personal opinion of notability is not how Wikipedia works. I and most people believe the links that are there now establish notability, these are the key and most important ones. If you disagree, the talk page can be used to clarify any concerns about notability - if you still disagree, then adding the links to the article won't change anything, you should take it to AfD. Cramming the article full of a bunch of random news reports about ITLAPD is bad practice and un-needed cruft, exactly the type of stuff Wikipedia needs less of. -- Stbalbach 21:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

You've got to agree that the "Background" section (which currently forms the meat of the article) is incredibly thin on facts. It basically says "These guys invented it, some guy wrote about it, and now everyone's celebrating it". That's not an article. Phrases like "celebrated internationally" are completely meaningless. --Dtcdthingy 05:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

This article has more supporting citations than most articles on Wikipedia, I'm not sure why your picking on it - you seem to be trying to prove your right - why don't you just edit and improve the article instead of nagging other people about it? -- Stbalbach 12:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove fact tag

Robert Newton is the Patron Saint of the Holiday. This is discussed in the article. What exactly is the problem that you need a fact tag? -- Stbalbach 21:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly correct with regard to the late Mr. Newton, his "Long John" from the old Disney series "Treasure Island," resides in our consciousness as a sublimely charasmatic, original creation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.136.159.1 (talk) 22:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Examples of pirate sayings: Translate please

An (abbreviated, perhaps) translation of the speech instructions from technical jargon to plain English would probably be useful. Jivlain 13:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't have enough experience to translate the second example, but the first:

"Lift the skin up, and put into the bunt the slack of the clews (not too taut), the leech and foot-rope, and body of the sail; being careful not to let it get forward under or hang down abaft. Then haul your bunt well up on the yard, smoothing the skin and bringing it down well abaft, and make fast the bunt gasket round the mast, and the jigger, if there be one, to the tie."

is instructions for properly furling a sail. Basically, you are instructed to find the skin of the sail (the tough, water resistant fabric near the top of the sail) and holding the sail at the bunt (the middle portion), pull the majority of the sail towards the middle and into the skin. The furled sail should be smooth, wider in the middle (shaped like a joint..) and as far up on the yard as possible. Smooth the skin all the way around the furl to ensure that it's weather tight. The bunt gasket is one of the lines that holds the furl together and up on the yard. This is tied to the mast.--66.165.17.24 17:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't tell the difference between what you wrote and the example you claim to have translated. They both sound like salty gibberish. --76.200.151.191 (talk) 02:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Pirates & Parrots

According to the article, the association between Pirates & Parrots is purely fictional. This is incorrect. In the book "Why Do Pirates Love Parrots?" by David Feldman, it's explained that indeed Pirates did have an affinity for exotic birds... though they were kept for trading, rather than as pets. The crew aboard a pirate ship often trained the birds to speak in order to pass the time between ports & plunderin'. -- YoShIe66 13:40, 02 Feb 2007 (EST)

You are correct, I've re-worded it. Actually treasure maps were a literary invention but the parrots and peg-legs were not - the association of parrots with pirates was popularized by Stevenson. -- Stbalbach 15:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Sourcing

The AFD went bye-bye, but I'm serious about the unreferenced and importance tags. The article heavily relies on primary sources at this point and there is no shortage of proper reliable sources available on Google News Archive. (Also, the article should be at Talk Like a Pirate Day -- 9 out of 10 people don't know the first word is International.) -- Dhartung | Talk 08:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm.. well the correct and official name is ITLAPD, I suppose it is popularly called something else, we can certainly redirect TLAPD, but the official name is what the article should be called. As for sourcing.. what kind of sources are you looking for? If your that serious, would you be willing to lend a hand to fix the problem instead of using nag tags? -- Stbalbach 16:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, there is nothing wrong with using citations to primary sources for verifiability purposes, and the article has citations to 3rd party sources for notability purposes - probably the worst "sin" this article has is it doesn't have enough cites, but then that is true for 99% of Wikipedia, I don't really see the problem. Everything can be made better on Wikipedia as a matter of course but we usually reserve nag tags for the worst problems - I just don't see the problem, it is verifiable links and notability links. -- Stbalbach 16:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Fictional Pirate Sayings

On March 9, JzG removed this section with the comment

(→Fictional pirate sayings - It's a howto, and complete original research.)

I object. The sources are clearly labelled (Treasure Island, Peter Pan, Mark Liberman's research). This is not original research. I see no discussion here regarding this rather major deletion.

I think this section should be restored. Any comments? Bill Jefferys 12:15, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing that up, I missed it. They are sourced and not OR, it says "examples", nothing wrong with giving notable examples of pirate speech. What else would an article like this have. -- Stbalbach 17:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Photos/Pictures

We have a picture of the patron saint and a (really nice) random cartoon pirate, but no photos of Mark Summers and/or John Baur. That seems kinda odd to me. There's a TON of pictures on the TLAPD website. Has anyone looked into this? D0ggieM0mma 18:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Copyright problem. Unless they are freely licensed (such as creative commons) it would require a fair use rationale and I for one wouldn't want to do it. -- Stbalbach 11:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

If we have Mark's permission to use the photo it shouldn't be a problem. And I have a bit of an inside edge there because he's my English prof's brother. Soooo I could prolly get permission if we have somewhere to put it. D0ggieM0mma 14:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Well it gets complicated you need to fill out a form and submit it to Wikicommons with email headers all carefully worded proving permission was granted to release it under a creative commons license. If you need help let me know happy to help, it is not easy. You could also do Fair Use but if he is giving permission it is more useful to do creative commons. BTW don't just "uppload it" with a note that he gave permission, it will get deleted. -- Stbalbach 12:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The easiest way is to get them to put up a small notice on the website somewhere (see Wikipedia:Example requests for permission if you want to do it by email). Wikipedia likes to give everybody permission to use and edit the images, even for commercial purposes, so the owner will need to agree to that. The easiest way is to release the pics into the public domain (although the GFDL and some Creative Commons licenses are fine). --h2g2bob (talk) 14:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Images of John Baur and Mark Summers, along with some other material, are now available under a Creative Commons 3.0 license, and so labeled, at http://www.talklikeapirate.com/pressroom.html -- Kightp 22:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use

The picture of the "patron saint" is a blatent fair use violation. There seems little value added to the article by the inclusion of the picture. While the in-line note says to review the talk page for discussion about said image, I see no discussion. Can someone point me at it? Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The note doesn't say there is a discussion on the talk page, it points the reader to the Background of the article - ie. Newton is discussed in the article, it is not just a random picture of any pirate. -- Stbalbach 21:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Er, so I'm just gonna get rid of the picture, then. Hipocrite - «Talk» 21:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

On what basis? The image has a Fair Use rationale, which I wrote, which I think it's fine and legitimate. There is also a request for a Fair Use review in place. -- Stbalbach 21:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Yup and the consensus of the review is the image should be removed. Addhoc 14:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Original research

I'll remove the tagged section unless reliable sources are included. Addhoc 14:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks D0ggieM0mma for including the citations! Addhoc 14:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Tag for high traffic again?

Per this [4] Chubbles 21:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

It's that time of year, so it has the potential for high traffic regardless. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Batten down the hatches mates! There be a storm of net traffic a-coming. Arrrrr... --Jquarry 00:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Main page

How is this article not in some shape or form not on the main Wiki page for today? --Brownings 18:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

"On this day... September 19: Independence Day in Saint Kitts and Nevis (1983), Armed Forces Day in Chile, International Talk Like a Pirate Day"

It is. Neobros 19:14, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, Happy Talk like a Pirate Day, everyone. YARRRR! --Shark face 217 20:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Mark Summers is Mark Summers, not Tim Laugel

The recent edit changing the first reference to Mark Summers into "Tim Laugel" is incorrect. His name really is Mark Summers, and he's a native of Seattle, Washington. This is personal knowledge (of over 20 years), however, and I'm a member of the Talk Like A Pirate Day team, so under Wikipedia guidelines I believe I'm prohibited from editing the page myself. Can someone else fix it?

Jezebel 15:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

In the case of vandalism, which this clearly was, feel free to correct the entry.Shsilver 16:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Will do. Still learning me way around these waters. Jezebel 17:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Just reverted the page back once again to correctly refer to Mark Summers, after someone vandalized it to restore the Tim Laugel reference (whoever he may be, Laugel is not associated with Talk Like A Pirate Day). Jezebel (talk) 19:33, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Talk Like a Pirate Day.png

Image:Talk Like a Pirate Day.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Should be OK now. Someone retagged the image with a fair use template. -- SEWilco (talk) 07:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Examples of pirate sayings

This section is straying off-topic, given that it makes no specific mention of Talk Like A Pirate Day, and would be perfectly coherent as a standalone article about 17th century piratical speech patterns. Should we merge it with Piracy or Piracy in the Caribbean or something, or start a fresh, full article for it? --McGeddon (talk) 09:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

A couple of months have passed since raising this. I've been bold and deleted it - it's in the page history if anyone wants to salvage it and move it to a more appropriate article. --McGeddon (talk) 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

We can't have a decent article about "talk like a pirate day" without examples showing how a "pirate" talks. It's not off topic. A stand-alone article would be tricky because pirates talked like every other seaman talked, the only difference was the subject matter, and I doubt there is much or any actual recorded speech to cite. Also most people who "talk like a pirate" in the 20th century are actually parroting 19th century fictional tropes from RL Stevenson. Fothergill Volkensniff IV (talk) 01:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Pirate talk, for the purposes of TLAPD, is just a cod-West Country dialect. Guy (Help!) 16:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Dave Barry?

No mention of his connection to the holiday anywhere in the article? 74.74.251.190 (talk) 17:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Barry's involvement is already mentioned with full sources in the third paragraph. --McGeddon (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

IT'S A HOAX

I don't believe the "backstory" given for the origins. It can't be physically possible for Cap'n Slappy to have played racquetball. --76.200.151.191 (talk) 02:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Yarrgh, dat be why the yeller scurv yelled "Arrr!" and started this here day! Mjf3719 (talk) 20:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yar. NIRVANA2764 (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

World of Warcraft

Ya-ahrr! Has anyone noticed that in World of Warcraft, a spell is cast on players by NPCs that turn them into pirates? 81.98.247.245 (talk) 21:10, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

It's already covered in the article under "Derivatives": "Several online role-playing games have introduced special events for the day, permitting characters to receive special appearances or special in-game prizes or drops." --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 05:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Worldwide?

{{editsemiprotected}} It seems to me that this (fictional) holiday is celebrated by a substantial amount of people in GB and the USA, but not at all elsewhere. At least, none of the sources point to anything outside those 2 countries. It ought to be described as "Observed by - GB and USA", certainly not "worldwide". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.159.1.96 (talk • contribs) 04:36, September 20, 2008

A quick google search turned up several hits of observances in Australia and Canada, and a handful of secondary mentions of observances in Japan (but no direct reporting of those). It is clearly broader than just USA and GB, although it seems limited to primarily english speaking countries. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 05:02, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, then it could be described as "Observed in - English speaking countries". One or two sporadic mentions does not seem enough to make it "worldwide". None of the references on the primary article page comes from non-English speaking country. Mitja.omlet (talk) 18:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

I've removed the "Observed by" parameter altogether. The most precise way to definite where and who celebrates this holiday would probably be "Anyone who wants to", and that doesn't sound encyclopedic to me.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 11:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

"milksops" quote

Copied over the attribution from the Blackbeard page for the citation needed call on the "milksops" quote. 208.97.218.10 (talk) 21:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

"Ar" and the West Country Dialect

> > > 'He has stated that during a racquetball game between Summers and Baur, one of them reacted to the pain with an outburst of "Aaarrr!", and the idea was born.'

> > > 'Robert Newton as Long John Silver.Lionel Barrymore is the first believed to have used the "arrrgh"'

Amusing article! Though showing some lack of understanding of geography, history and linguistics. The so-called "Pirate Speech" grew directly out of the "West Country Dialect," especially as used among sailors from Devon, Bristol and Somerset. The area is marked by long, rocky coasts, and an ancient dependence on fishing, shipping and the sea.

"Ar" is not a meaningless grunt; it means "Yes" in that dialect. And while the dialect is largely defunct, and is denigrated today, it was not actually a substandard dialect; it grew from the Old English spoken in Wessex.

See http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/West_Country_dialects

excerpt: ""Ooh Arr" (Devon) – multiple meanings, including "Oh Yes". Popularised by the Wurzels, this phrase has become stereotypical, and is used often to mock speakers of West Country dialects. In the modern day "Ooh Ah" is commonly used as the correct phrase though mostly avoided due to stereotypes."

Many West Country speakers also use the "hard R" that's also typical of Irish and most North American English speakers, as opposed to the soft or unvoiced R more common in the rest of England, and in Australia and the US Southeast and Northeast.

One could suggest that the "Yosemite Sam" version of Western speech bears some resemblances. ("Be ye?" "I be.")

Cheers, David

In 1987 my parents moved to an old house in a small West Dorset village. They took up the old straw thatch from the roof that had been laid down under the boarded attic floor (not much of a fire risk there...) and burned it at the end of the garden. Mr X, their 85 year old neighbour who had lived in the village all his life and never been further afield than Bridport, was watching the bonfire over the garden wall. My mum asked him if the smoke was bothering him. "Oh no my dearrrr, b'aint doin' no harrrrm to I" he replied. I wish I'd recorded him talking - he had the most amazing accent and dialect. Sadly, he died a few years later and he was the last person in the village who talked like that. He sounded like the perfect pirate.86.152.241.108 (talk) 10:04, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Pastafarians

Perhaps we could write in the opening paragraph after "It has become a holiday for members of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti" that members "sarcastically contend the decease of the world's population of pirates has led to an increase in climate change."? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.2.246 (talk) 00:31, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Sources

Citation needed templates should be addressed, a blog and Slashdot are not RS since they are user submitted. More reliable sources and formatting of them are needed per Wikipedia:Citing sources.Cptnono (talk) 06:49, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:International Talk Like a Pirate Day/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

--maclean (talk) 19:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Notes

1b. Lead does not fully summarize the article (WP:LEAD). "Derivatives" seems to run afoul of Wikipedia:Embedded list.
2a. Please follow Wikipedia:Layout. Which reference does the Wife Swap and Jeopardy! appearances come from?
2b. Provide publisher information on all references used. Resolve the {{Citation needed}} tags.
3b. "Examples" section is sprawling, but is ok at this point.
6a. Weak Fair Use rationale on File:Robert.Newton.ljs.gif. Actually, describe what the pirate looks like. Don't just say it is important to know what a pirate looks like.

Conclusion

Due to the problems identified above, I closed this GA review. Before it is nominated again, please address the above points and judge the article's quality in terms of the GA criteria. maclean (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I would like to get on this soon as the page will get a lot of traffic this month. Colincbn (talk) 03:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit war over ENGVAR

Due to the ongoing edit war over the use of "labor/workers" in the article, I am opening this thread to allow both users concerned (and any other interested parties) to discuss the matter. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:58, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I have to say that I'm with usage of the word "workers" here. Whilst I agree that "labor" could equally work, there is nothing to suggest that the page is intrinsically American, thus forcing the American terminology. I've also looked through the article, and I can't see any other instances of American terms - "color" and so forth, so there's nothing to imply that US terms take precedence - indeed the article is called "International talk like a Pirate day", not just "Talk like a pirate day".

Finally, the term "workers" is used in American parlance, so is acceptable, whereas "labor" is a US only term. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the article is established in American English, because of the usage of "romanticized" "specialized" "popularized" "generalized" and "labor". The IP editor was originally trying to change one word - labor - to British English "labour", simply because the sentence was speaking about England. That is what I objected to - but I have no objection to use of the word "workers" instead. It is, in fact, encouraged by WP:VNE. Now the IP needs to cease and desist changing other articles, such as vitreous enamel, which are clearly established in one variety of national English, to other varieties, against the requirements of WP:ENGVAR. Elizium23 (talk) 17:30, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. I confess to only looking for the obvious candidates - color being a usual favourite. Or is that favorite? Anyway. I agree that the reasoning behind the IP editors wishes to change are faulty - just because the contentious term is used in reference to England is no reason to revert to UK English. Moreover, having looked at the edit history, I didn't realise that they were changing "labor" to "labour" - I thought it was "labor" to "workers". UK English doesn't generally use the term "labour" to describe a workforce, but instead uses the term "workers" or "workforce", so in fact I would have supported your reversions on the basis they were making up terms. For what it's worth, I have added vitreous enamel to my watchlist on similar grounds. Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:27, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Re. ' I have no objection to use of the word "workers" instead ', so why did you undertake this edit: [5]? And it would be polite & constructive if: a) you didn't blindly revert changes, b) you didn't mis-represent the changes, c) engaged in a proper discussion before posting 'final warnings' & messages to administrators, and d) didn't make claims which are opposite to your actions. Also, whilst not relevant to this talk page you are mistaken re. vitreous enamel as shown a) by the name of the article itself, and b) the talk page.

Re. ' I thought it was "labor" to "workers". ' er, you mean like this: [6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.163.103.7 (talk) 09:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I think you're confusing two different editors with their edits. I thought the edits were focussed on changing "labor" to "workers", not "labor" to "labour". I agree with the usage of "workers", but once I realised it was the latter, I commented again - as is plainly visible above. In that specific instance you were wrong. Wrong on two counts in fact - you were changing an American English page to use a single instance of British English, which is not something we do. You were also wrong by trying to force the usage of "labour" creating a nonsensical sentence, because British English does not use the term "labo(u)r" to describe a workforce, but uses the term "workers" instead.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove (apart from being wrong again), on vitreous enamel, as Elezium seems correct in all instances, whereas you are not helping your own case with this edit for example, where you appear to have made a search & replace which has changed the listed American example spellings into British spelling, thus including confusion and inaccuracies into the article. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:22, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps we could write in the opening paragraph after "It has become a holiday for members of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti" that members "sarcastically contend the decease of the world's population of pirates has led to an increase in climate change."? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.2.246 (talk) 00:29, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Single item list?

I don't think we need a list of bodies that have officially recognised the holiday while it's only one body. Can we drop the list and just change that section to, "The U.S. State of Michigan has officially recognised the holiday."?

Jediknightbob (talk) 22:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Just what I thought - I've changed it :-)

132.244.72.4 (talk) 07:58, 19 September 2013 (UTC)