Talk:Insurrection of 10 August 1792

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Right now As of Jul 7, 2004, but it's being addressed - Jmabel 18:04, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC), the material in this article is pretty redundant to part of The Legislative Assembly and the fall of the French monarchy. I've refactored it out to here for two reasons:

1. The bulk of links into that article were links to the section on the 10th of August. There were quite a few of them. I've converted them into links to this article.
2. I'd like eventually to expand the material on the events of roughly August 9 - August 11, 1792, and it would get lopsided in the other article. In particular, I'm trying to get more about the takeover of the Paris Commune, about just who came into power with that, and about the actual logistics of the insurrection. This article will be the place to do that. However, I will be a bit busy the next few weeks -- I'm about to start about a 7-week tech project -- so I may be slow in following through this intention, maybe as late as September 2004.

-- Jmabel 04:48, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)

This work is now in progress. There is now considerable material in this article beyond that in The Legislative Assembly and the fall of the French monarchy, and I'm still expanding it. -- Jmabel 22:00, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

I have taken from Mignet the phrase "sound the tocsin, beat the générale and attack the château." However. I am not sure I fully understand the sense of the last part: does it mean that they would attack the Hotel de Ville or the Tuileries? -- Jmabel 22:00, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

Reading on in Mignet he clearly means the Tuileries. I will edit accordingly. Jmabel 22:03, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

Insurgent

I am curious why use the term "insurgent"? Wouldn't it better to use the term revolutionary or whatever they were called at the time, as closely as possible translated from French? The term insurgent seems to have recent and incorrent connotations. (anon 10 Aug 2005)

• Actually, unless I'm mistaken, "insurgent" was Mignet's term, writing in French in the 19th century. What recent and "incorrent" (incorrect? incoherent?) connotations are you referring to? It's a very old word. See, for example [1] (and search for "insurgent" on that page). -- Jmabel | Talk 06:21, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Monarchy

"This proved to be the effective end of the French Monarchy (until it was restored in 1814). " Napoleon named himself emperor of the France in 1804. Could that be counted as a monarchy? Aranherunar 10:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Belate:

No, the French State remained the République française during the dictatorship. Just see their regimental flags. He, just like Augustus as Princeps for the People and Senate of Rome, was the first citizen, not a King.

Very big on Roman parallels in that period... Claverhouse (talk) 22:26, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Failed "good article" nomination

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of November 23, 2024, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Not bad here, mostly culled from other sources I assume.

2. Factually accurate?: Seems accurate. The main suggestion here is that I would convert those inline internet citations into footnotes, so the actual sources can be seen.

3. Broad in coverage?: Good here.

4. Neutral point of view?: Good here.

5. Article stability? Good here.

6. Images?: Absoblutely none. See if some can be dredged up. Maybe some old artifacts or paintings already in the public domain.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. Thanks for your work so far. --Esprit15d 12:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Among the images we should really have are any of several more or less contemporary paintings of the insurrection in general, plus Johan Zoffany's two counter-revolutionary propaganda paintings from 1794, Plundering the King's Cellar at Paris, August 10, 1792, and Celebrating over the Bodies of the Swiss Soldiers. Does anyone have these in a book from which we can scan them? - Jmabel | Talk 05:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. --dashiellx (talk) 17:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Mignet?

Why exactly are we using a source from 1824, and treating it as more reliable than the 1911 Britannica? A Liberal Orleanist, writing under Charles X, had a point of view to peddle and a censor to mollify; why should we follow him? Even among public domain histories, Jules Michelet, for all his flaws, would be preferable; he did do primary research, and some of the documents he found are now destroyed in 1848 and 1871. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:30, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

• Mignet is obviously an interesting and helpful source, and we can appreciate the start he's given to this page. This article should however be expanded to include more varied and also modern scholarship, and should be more rigorously sourced. I will be working on this over the coming days and welcome all contributions. -- Darouet | Talk 18:30, July 18, 2011]] —Preceding undated comment added 22:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC).

Fatherland?

La Patrie = Fatherland or Motherland? Pohick2 (talk) 16:22, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Fatherland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.70.125 (talk) 18:13, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

From Proto-Italic *patēr, from Proto-Indo-European *ph₂tḗr; cognate to Ancient Greek πατήρ (patḗr), Old English fæder (English father).Nivose (talk) 23:09, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

The killing of women during the assault on the Tulieries

I have inserted this piece regarding the killing of women during the assault: The massacre also included the male courtiers and members of the palace staff. However, no female member of the court seem to have been killed during the massacre. According to Madame Campan, the ladies-in-waiting was gathered in a room in the queen's apartment, and when they were spotted, a man prevented an attack upon them by exclaiming, in the name of Petion: "Spare the women! don't disgrace the nation!" Campan also mentioned two maids outside of this room, neither of whom was killed despite a male member of the staff being murdered beside them, again prevented by the cry: "We don't kill women." This according to Madame Campan, Memoirs of the Court of Marie Antoinette, Queen of France, Project Gutenberg. I hope this was correct - I have found no other source treating the subject, and it seem relevant to mention, that although men of all classes were killed, no women belonging to the palace staff seem to have lost their lives. --85.226.40.103 (talk) 15:29, 17 November 2014 (UTC)