Talk:Innuendo (album)/Archive 1

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David Richards

This article links to David Richards as the producer for the album. Are you sure you have the right David Richards? The article links to the Prodrive chairman and former Formula One team principal.

It's infact not the right David Richards.. however there probably should be an entry for him.. he was producer/engineer for almost every record at Mountain Studios in Montreux.. from Queen, to Yes, to David Bowie.. --Drowse 10:37, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Innuendo Single?

I'm sorry but in most Queen texts.. in particular As It Began by Jacky Gunn (QFC president), Innuendo is stated as a UK only single, it was not released in the US as a single as Hollywood feared it wouldn't do so well.. --Drowse 10:37, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

"Innuendo" was serviced as a single to US radio in early 1991. It was not released as a commercial single. Only "Headlong", "These Are the Days of Our Lives" and "The Show Must Go On" (as a double A side with "Bohemian Rhapsody") were released as commercial US singles. "Innuendo" and "I Can't Live With You" were serviced as radio only US singles. Some US charts are determined predominantly by radio airplay rather than sales, and so some singles are serviced to radio first and later considered for commercial sale if those radio-only singles achieve some success. --208.135.167.94 02:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't try so hard

I strongly disagree with the author's very subjective description of "Don't Try So Hard" (and also "Bijou") as "dark and bleak". Tone is obviously in the eye (or ear) of the beholder, and I have always found them to be comforting and somewhat uplifting tracks. Definitely *not* "dark and bleak". --208.135.167.94 02:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I used to know that Deacon was the author of this beautiful song. I see it is credited to Mercury. Are you sure? - Stefano --151.37.58.208 20:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Brian May confirmed that Mercury had written this song: "I have a few personal favourites, though. Of Freddie's songs... The Miracle, which has an amazing lightness, and Don't Try So Hard. Yes, we all contributed to the creation of these songs, but in both cases Freddie was the driving force... a vision reared up before us." (Q Classic, March 2005, http://www.brianmay.com/queen/tour05/interviews/bm_classicq_mar05pt5.html) -- Candyfloss 00:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

On his website, Brian May lists "Don't try so hard" as having been written by Deacon, though... see here.--afromme 00:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

So can we presume then that Brian made a momentary mistake, especially being that most sites, including brian's (above) say it's John Deacon's song, and that we should fix this in the article? Anyway for now, I am at least adding a ref to the above article... Donny 21:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

"Don't Try So Hard" is rather somber and mournful IMO...but rightfully so. "Flick of the Wrist," both parts of "In The Lap Of The Gods," and "All Dead, All Dead," as well as "She Makes Me (Stormtrooper in Stillettos)" are more bleak. The guitar melody of "Bijou" is rather haunting and eerie (a lot of diminished chords in the harmony). And yes, these songs are ironically uplifting. 65.248.164.214 (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

"AIDS-induced dementia"?

In reference to the track "I'm Going Slightly Mad", the author of the article wrote " ... the song's lyrics raised questions about whether Mercury was merely penning a humorous account or whether the song was in fact inspired by AIDS-induced dementia" - raised questions among whom and when? Is there any documentation or evidence to support that at the time anyone speculated that the song was written about AIDS-induced dementia? In 15 years I have never heard or seen that question asked by anyone, seriously or otherwise. On the contrary, Mercury was reportedly in full command of his faculties during that period. I would direct the author of the article to "Freddie Mercury: An Intimate Memoir by the Man Who Knew Him Best" by Peter Freestone with David Evans, and "Mercury and Me" by Jim Hutton with Tim Wapshott for first hand accounts of that period of Mercury's life. --208.135.167.94 03:15, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Delilah redirect

I'm not at all convinced that Delilah (song) should redirect here. The Tom Jones song of the same title is far more famous, though an article for that song needs to be written first! DWaterson 00:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree, actually.--afromme 00:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The Hitman songwriting credit

While the article says The Hitman was written by Mercury, Brian May lists it on his website as having been written by May himself. see here.--afromme 00:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

REPLY - the bit where it says it was written by Brian on his site, is on another section written by a fan documenting all the Queen albums, and reviewing them. That's why he always says "I think this is a so and so song, but maybe with Freddie" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.22.246 (talk) 19:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I've heard about the Hitman being writing collaboration between Brian and John.

The Hitman started out as a piece of synth-pop by Mercury, then May took it over and made a metal song out of it.--85.224.81.244 22:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The Show must go on Meaning

The article says "The song [The Show Must Go On] is about Mercury's desire to continue making music even as his health was deteriorating." Give me a break... Whoever wrote that - has he or she actually bothered to read the lyrics? The can be found here [1] and it's pretty clear to me that they're not at all about a desire to make music despite deteriorating health, but rather about keeping up a certain public image. " Inside my heart is breaking - My make-up may be flaking - But my smile still stays on" It doesn't get much clearer than that, does it? In a way, the song's lyrics kind of continue the subject "Scandal" (from The Miracle) already dealt with a couple of years earlier (" Another hero, another mindless crime - Behind the curtain - in the pantomime - Hold the line, does anybody want to take it anymore?"). Except the tone of the music and lyrics of The Show Must Go On is a lot bleaker, with parts that can easily be construed to be reflecting on life and the imminent death struggle ("Empty spaces - What are we living for", "Does anybody know what we are looking for...", "Does anybody know what we are living for...", "I have to find the will to carry on"). The imagery used in the song also reflects this: "I'll soon be turning - Round the corner now - Outside the dawn is breaking - But inside in the dark I'm aching to be free", "My soul is painted like the wings of butterflies - Fairytales of yesterday will grow but never die - I can fly - my friends". Thus, I have deleted that portion of the article as it is if not factually wrong (which I actually think it is) then still not neutral but rather sugar-coating/gloryfying the subject of the song.--afromme 00:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I actually think that the song is about both things, it is about upholding a public image (in other words, making sure Freddie's AIDS do not reach the public), and some of the lyrics are clearly about death. I guess it is about that Queen must uphold a public image AFTER Freddie's death. It sure as hell got some connections to Freddie's coming death, to say something else is stupid.--85.224.81.244 22:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 11:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

 Done Donny (talk) 17:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

What about the cover?

Hi, my Dad just showed me a book he read in the seventies. It's "Around the Day in Eighty Worlds" by Julio Cortazar (original title: "La vuelta al día en ochenta mundos"). This one is a Polish print from 1976. The cover is exactly the same as from Innuendo but this article about the album only says that the cover was designed by Queen and some Richard Gray - the book only says the following about all the illustrations: "Siglo Veintiuno de Espana Editores SA". As I don't know Spanish, I have barely an idea what this means. I don't say that the cover of this album is stolen or anything, but the information about the cover, as it can be found in the article currently, is not really satisfying as "designed by Queen and Richard Gray" sounds as if it was an original art created specially for Innuendo - and it definitely is not. You can find the book's cover I'm talking about here: http://s284426801.onlinehome.us/getimg.php?i=968230718X Does anyone know the original artist behind this illustration? --F4LL0UT (talk) 18:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello, According to this wiki: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Jean_Ignace_Isidore_G%C3%A9rard it's from 1844! Juggler of the Universes, by Gérard. Interesting, I never knew that.

Mano Manolito Mystiq (talk) 11:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

13th or 14th?

Innuendo is the thirteenth studio album by British rock band Queen, released in 1991. It is the band's fourteenth studio album

Well, what is it then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.201.54 (talk) 20:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Ride the Wild Wind

The description of this song says "which create the sensation of speed and engine's roar. In the mid-part, a brilliant May solo" While I don't disagree it is not really our place to say if a solo was brilliant or not. 119.12.227.222 (talk) 12:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Why so technical?

The description of the songs is too cold and technical. Nobody is putting some soul to comment on what the ARTIST wanted to say? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.128.250.98 (talk) 18:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

The AIDS Story

In the introduction part of this page it's stated that by August 1990 Freddie's HIV had been grown into full blown AIDS. History proves this statement wrong. Around Easter 1987 Freddie was diagnosed a having full blown AIDS already. Only a few weeks later red spots were visible on his face (Kaposi's Sarcoma). He was adviced by his doctors NOT to shoot he video for his duet Barcelona because his amount of white blood cells was extremely low. In 1989 Freddie needed to grow a beard to hide the Kaposi's Sarcoma. Also during that year the weight loss began to set in. In February 1990 a party was held to celebrate 20 years of Queen. Freddie looked frail and tired. All of this would not be if Freddie was still just HIV positive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leroyalties (talk • contribs) 06:54, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

What Number

Hi!

Isn't it their 14th album? German Wikipedia sais so, too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.170.49.172 (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Possible improvement push

If anybody is interested, this could be pushed towards GA and hopefully FA given some good improvements and edits (however, I will likely propose a couple of merges as well). I would be more than happy to help improve this article to a good standing. If this makes FA within the next couple of months, this would make a fitting feature on the Main Page on November 24, which would be the 20th anniversary of Freddie Mercury's death. –MuZemike 07:22, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Recording start date?

A number of different sources state that the recording started in 1989, but it seems like some people insist that it was started in March 1990.

The main proof I have is that Queen's official (ie. verified) Facebook page posted a picture of recording tabs/information from one of their sessions at Mountain Studios. The sheet of paper clearly states that they laid down tracks for Don't Try So Hard, a track from this album, in December 1989. While we don't know if this was the earliest recorded track for Innuendo, it's pretty solid proof that the recording started before March 1990. Is it concrete enough to make it official on the Wiki page?

Source is here: https://www.facebook.com/Queen/photos/pb.17337462361.-2207520000.1419393283./10152568367527362/?type=3&theater — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.154.208 (talk) 03:58, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Facebook is not so much of reliable source, and photos are not supposed to be interpreted in the way you have done, to be used as references. Even if the date is correct I can think of several reasons why a song might be recorded in an earlier session but then used on a later album. So the album's official recording session might be widely considered to be a set of dates which do not include the earlier song. Binksternet (talk) 08:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

December 1989 is well after the release of the previous album, though. It could only possibly be used for this album or a later one surely?

Either way, I found a secondary source: http://www.queenonline.com/en/the-band/discography/innuendo/

This is the band's official website, and the article's authors are listed as Gary Taylor and Greg Brooks, the latter of which is the band's archivist. You can see that the first sentence states: "Queen’s [sic] 14th studio album, and their first of the 1990s, was recorded at Metropolis and Mountain Studios, in London and Montreux Switzerland, respectively, between March 1989 and November 1990." I assume this actually is reliable enough to be used on the Wiki page? It's the band's official website with the article having a solid-named date, being written by one of the band's personnel. EDIT: It also seems that the Wiki articles on the previous albums use that site's respective pages for their sources, such as The Miracle's recording date of Jan 1988 - Jan 1989. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.154.208 (talk) 03:35, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, this is a sufficiently reliable source: the band's official web page. Binksternet (talk) 18:11, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Okay then, I'm going to make the edit now then. Same IP as the one I'm posting this Talk from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.154.208 (talk) 19:19, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

I can't get this to format correctly; someone help?

The "written by" list for the song "Innuendo" should feature all four band members' name, per the song's Wiki page + extensive outside sources. However, trying to add the fourth name of "John Deacon" screws up the formatting, and I can't get it correct for the life of me. Can someone please help? 24.90.88.95 (talk) 05:54, 29 August 2018 (UTC)