Talk:Ingo Molnár

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Photo Needed

Is the referenced photo free? --Ysangkok 17:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion

Since the {{prod}} tag was already removed by someone else, I'll just note here on this talk page that "This guy isn't notable enough for Wikipedia" is not itself a reason for deletion: you need to explain why exactly he isn't. Personally, given that he's one of the most prolific contributors to the Linux kernel these days and one of the most well-known kernel hackers, second (or third) only to people such as Andrew Morton or Linus himself, I think he certainly is notable; YMMV, but if it does, please do explain why. -- Schneelocke 18:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know Ingo Molnár and haven't heard of him. But I'm not into Linux I must admit. I just don't think Wikipedia should have an article for every full-time Linux developer. From the content of this stub I didn't get the impression that he is especially noticeable. --mms 20:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Ingo Molnar article is an essential addition to wikipedia. He is extremely important to the linux kernel as his scheduler work is second to none. Schedulers are essential to any operating systems and as such the page deserves to stay.

I also agree that the article is poor, very poor, and needs to be updated by someone who knows more about him than i do (not much). Cokehabit 21:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ingo is a lady!

I fixed this error in both the English and German version but the wrong version has been written back. Why? -- Zoltan Kovacs, kovzol@gmail.com

Sorry, I apparently found that Ingo is really a male. Sorry! -- Zoltan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.199.144.230 (talk) 09:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong country of origin + name

Original research yields the result that Ingo is in fact German, not Hungarian as the article claims. Taking that into account, I find it unlikely that his name is spelled with á in Molnár, especially since I've never seen this anywhere else. Can we get sources for both these facts? 84.209.125.101 (talk) 07:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also suspect the same - on mailing lists, he always shows up as "Ingo Molnar" witout an accent (although other Hungarian developers also spell their names on the mailing list without accents, e.g. "Gabor Juhos", who would be spelled "Gábor Juhos" in the real life). Also, Ingo is not a Hungarian name. I would guess he's from Austria. --NetRolller 3D 21:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Molnar is a Hungarian last name, but Ingo is definitely a German (and Scandinavian) name. But with the way European history was and Hungary being part of the Great Austro-Hungarian Empire, it is very likely that he has some German or Austrian blood in him. For example, a lot of people in Slovakia have Hungarian last names and a lot of people in Poland have either German or Ukrainian last names etc. So unless there is a definite proof that he is an Austrian, I'd leave it as Hungarian. Norum (talk) 14:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense. Ingo is as far as I know not a Hungarian first name, therefore he was not born in Hungary, since this name was not allowed to be registered in Hungary that time he was born. (Now you can register almost any German, Slovak, Polish, Romanian, etc. first names in Hungary as a given name to your child if you declare yourself to be a member of an officially recognized national or ethnic community (="minority"). But not at the time he was born. Ingo Molnár I guess was born abroad (AT or DE) and was given a German first name. That has nothing to do with "Austrian blood" or the "Great Austro-Hungarian Empire". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.24.172.4 (talk) 08:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder which of you is the biggest clown...

Red Hat as of May 2013?

Why having added this "as of May 2013" while, as far as I know (and can be seen with some quick googling), he is working for Red Hat since much earlier? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.200.218.241 (talk) 10:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah Sharp paragraph is non-encyclopedic

The article contains the following paragraph:

Fellow kernel programmer Sarah Sharp has been critical of both Linus Torvalds' and Ingo Molnar's communications style and treatment of women, citing a "brutal communications style". In October 2015 she stepped down as the maintainer of the USB drivers in Linux citing verbal abuse by Molnar and Torvalds.

This seems peripheral, a violation of the Wikipedia policy on “undue weight”. I would support its inclusion in an article about Sarah Sharp, about the Linux Kernel Mailing List (it is mentioned there), about the relationship of women to open source development, or many other topics. (It also appears in our article on Sexism in the technology industry.) But I don't think it is significant enough to the topic of Ingo Molnár to be included here.

I have reviewed the three cited sources, and also Sharp's own blog. The blog post does not mention Molnár. Sharp's original 2013 complaint on the LKML mentions Molnár only once.

Unless there is a strong and cogent objection, I will shortly delete this paragraph. —Mark Dominus (talk) 16:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I removed this. The only part of this pertinent to Ingo Molnár seemed to be that Sharp had, one time, in a 2013 mailing list post, claimed that Molnár was “advocating for verbal abuse”. If there is better support for its significance (say, reliable reports of a long-running controversy specifically involving Molnár) it can be put back. —Mark Dominus (talk) 00:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your user page indicates there is a possible WP:COI with your edits on this topic. Your logic escapes me and criticism is allowed in a WP bio. 207.135.130.168 (talk) 21:09, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced the cited content since criticism is allowed in a bio. The materials are relevant and are also mentioned in Linus Torvalds article as well. Since you clearly have a COI please post your suggestions here please. 166.70.60.63 (talk) 18:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did some more research and its pretty clear from what I read through on LKML that both Torvalds and Molnar's treatment of Sarah Sharpe was dismal and is potentially creating a sexually hostile work environment. In one quote, Linus Torvalds appears to be creating a sexually hostile work environment by claiming to be half naked in his bathrobe in one of his postings to Sharpe when he was being very abusive to her online and Molnar joined in defending Linus' treatment. [1] Sexually harassing or creating a sexually hostile work environment is a notable event on the public LKML list and in something that deserves mention since she quit the linux community because of it. 166.70.60.63 (talk) 19:01, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism is certainly allowed in a biography, but not every criticism is pertinent. In this case the criticism seems to have been a single comment from a single person in a three-year-old mailing list post. Wikipedia's policy on biographics says “do not give disproportionate space to particular viewpoints; the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all.” In this case the “tiny minority” appears to be a single person. None of the three sources you cited actually supports Sharp's accusation; they only report that she made it, once. (And the Slashdot article does not mention it at all.)

Your opinion about Molnár's treatment of Sharp is not relevant to this discussion, and I will not address it. What Linus Torvalds said about being in a bathrobe is also not relevant; Linus Torvalds and Ingo Molnár are different people. I will also not address vague accusations of COI from an anonymous user.

You need to find a reliable secondary source that explains why this episode is important to the subject of the article—not to LKML or Linus Torvalds, but to Ingo Molnár specifically. If I don't hear back from you shortly I will remove your addition again. —Mark Dominus (talk) 00:09, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know it's not my "opinion" about any of the content, I just wrote the facts. Sending an email to a co-worker claiming to be naked or in a bathrobe is defacto sexual harassment combined with vulgar jokes and homophobic slurs is a sexually hostile work environment. If Torvalds, Molnar, and Sharpe all worked at a company together Linus and Ingo would have been fired for it since that's the way the real world works. It's obvious you don't read through LKML to see the whole picture. I could care less about the nature of the controversy. My comments about your COI edits stands. 166.70.60.63 (talk) 03:30, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]