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Refineries

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I don't see why Immingham should have a section on the refineries. They are based at Killingholme, which is several miles away and not even in the same county. TomGreen 22:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


You must not be from around the area, Killingholme is only about 2 miles from Immingham and the refineries play a huge part in the town. The workers on the refineries maily live in Immingham and the growth of Immingham has come with the growth of the refineries and the docks. I was born in South Killingholme and was raised in Immingham. To say that Killingholme and Immingham are not in the same county you are completly wrong they are both part of North East Lincs and before that they were both part of South Humberside. I have family who still live in both towns.

This is correct. Both North and South Killingholme are within the boundaries of North East Lincolnshire. The refineries are a mere 2-3 miles from Immingham (although there is no green belt land between the two) and as the other correspondent noted, many employees from the refineries live in Immingham. As far as many are concerned Immingham grew on the back of the refineries and the refineries grew on the employment of people from Immingham.

I live in North Killingholme, that and South Killingholme are actually located in North Lincolnshire. Most people that work on the refineries are actually contractors from Grimsby and Scunthorpe. A number of people from Immingham and Killingholme do work on there. I would say that Immingham has grown more as a result of the docks than the refineries. TomGreen 22:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I stand corrected. The villages of North and South Killingholme are within North Lincolnshire. However, although the refineries give South Killingholme as their postal address, the refineries themeselves are within North East Lincolnshire and as such business rates are paid to North East Lincolnshire Council.

It is a little odd to say that most employees at the refineries come from either Grimsby or Scunthorpe. Immingham, as the nearest major conurbation to the plants, is home to many who work at the refinery or who work in associated industries (as I know from regular business dealings in the town). Whilst Immingham has also grown from the success of the port, it cannot be that employees there are predominately from Immingham. Like the refineries, the docks employs people from all over Northern Lincolnshire.

It is fair to say that many refinery employees live in the Immingham locale and that many Immingham-based enterprises are used by the refineries. As such the wealth returns to Immingham and accordingly the town has grown on the back of that. Grimsby's wealth grew on the back of fishing, food production and chemicals whilst Scunthorpe's grew on steel production.

To clarify, the refineries are in North Lincolnshire. Tom Green (talk) 00:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify: Business rates are paid to North East Lincolnshire Council; thus the vast proportion of the land they occupy must be in North East Lincolnshire. To clarify even further: The refineries provide much employment to the people of Immingham, either directly or via service industries that supply the refineries. Civilisation doesn't finish at Watford and the economic influence of the Humber Bank refineries doesn't finish at the western end of Manby Road.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.226.217 (talk) 22:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Ming Ming"

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Can any of you please explain to me when Immingham was nick named "Ming Ming"? I lived in Immingham for 21yrs and can not ever recall saying that I was from "ming Ming" Is this a recent nick name?

I've lived in Grimsby for over 30 years and have only heard the phrase 'Ming Ming' in the last five. It obviously comes from the 'ming' in Immingham but I don't think that people from Birmingham (with similar pronunciation) use a similar phrase. I hate to say it but I would imagine the term 'Ming ming' is also derived from the word 'mingers', reflecting the state of certain parts of the town and rather unkindly, certain people from it. Perhaps initially used as a term of abuse it has, in the same way Montgomery turned the insult 'Desert Rats' into a nickname for his regiment, become a badge of honour for the town (likewise fans of Grimsby Town FC refer to themselves as codheads, although the term was originally abusive)

Thank you I have not been home to Immingham for about 13 years, so this phrase is new to me.

A user just decided to add reference to 'Ming' and 'Ming Ming', but if it's going to stay, we need some kind of reference to support it. Also, I live in Nuneaton, which is not far from Birmingham, and I've never heard the phrase used in relation to Birmingham. Egdirf (talk) 16:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is a localised expression which is in common useage in the area. Aside from my own local knowledge to support this (which I realise isn't adequate alone), I have added three references which I personally deem to be reliable. Others disagree, but the British Antarctic Survey is a highly reputable source which should remain. This is highly relevant in the same way in which the Scunthorpe article mentions its local name. Tom Green (talk) 23:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've heard this expression, but I'm not sure the link you provided can be used. While the British Antarctic Survey is a reliable source, this seems to be a letter someone wrote to their mother. I regularly write my mother (who lives in Canada) and I tell her what's going on in the UK. I doubt we could use it as a reference though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.19.155 (talk) 23:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is proof that the term is used, that's all the references need to do. Now, I'm aware that some people that live in Immingham do not like or use the 'Ming Ming' name, and those are the people likely to be challenging this, but it is and this is easily proven. Tom Green (talk) 16:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've just re-added the British Antarctic Survey reference. What harm does it do? It proves that Immingham has that nickname. CraigJRichards (talk) 12:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree! Tom Green (talk) 21:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've only heard Minningham. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.130.104 (talk) 16:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


My family has lived here for 30 years and it is incorrect to state the locals call it "Ming-Ming" others may do, but the people I know, many of long standing Immingham families are surprised at the suggestion. The Antarctic survey does not claim it is a name in use by locals so why would you continue to state we do? It is inaccurate and therefore as this is supposed to be an encyclopedia the question "What harm does it do?" is irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.105.58.185 (talk) 18:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I lived there for a while and often saw Ming Ming mentioned in local graffiti. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbalmer (talk • contribs) 12:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Imma removal

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Removed this:

Bede tells us that in 679 Imma was a Thane (a type of King’s bodyguard) in the service of the 18-year-old brother of the King of Northumbria, Aelfwine.[1]

In the Battle of the Trent in 679 CE Aelfwine was killed and Northumbria lost control of the area of modern Immingham. Imma was left for dead. He later revived and was taken into captivity (being careful to keep his name and title secret). The Mercians who had captured him treated his wounds and when he got better chained him up each night to prevent his escape.

Meanwhile his brother, Tunna, a priest and abbot of a monastery, assuming his brother dead, had regular prayers and masses said for him.

The Mercians had great trouble keeping Imma in captivity and guessed he was more than just a peasant. The Mercian Chief had him closely questioned. Imma agreed to speak if the Chief promised not to kill him. On learning that Imma was a King’s Thane he was furious but could not go back on his word. The Mercians believed Imma was using black magic to escape. But Imma pointed out that his brother was Christian and was probably praying for him and that was the reason for his near-success.

Because he was such a problem the Mercians sold Imma in London as a slave to a Frisian. This Frisian also found it difficult to keep Imma captive so he allowed him to arrange for his ransom. The King of Kent eventually paid the ransom because he had connections with Imma’s family. Imma went through a number of other adventures before he got back to his own country. On reuniting with his brother, the abbot confirmed that he had indeed been praying for his brother.[2]

This is about a person from Northumbria - Immingham is not and never has been in Northumbria - if there is any real connection it needs to be referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xiiophen (talk • contribs) 11:47, 24 July 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Skemer, Don. C Binding Words: Textual Amulets in The Middle Ages. Pennsylvania State University Press , 2006, p. 43.
  2. ^ Ecclesiastical History of the English Nation Book IV, Chapter XXII, by Venerable Bede
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