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On 26 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Jewish expulsion and flight from the Muslim world. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Quick Grammar error/Typo

1. Could an authorised editor please make the following 2/1 character correction in the article lede? Sentence currently flips "direction" in its final third -- jarring for native English speakers. Thanks in advance.

NOW: "In total, of the 900,000 Jews who left Arab and other Muslim countries, 600,000 settled in the new state of Israel, and 300,000 immigrated to France and the United States."

BETTER AS: "~ 300,000 emigrated ~" Tom Segev's quote (footnote 300)

2. "if a man as well connected and powerful as Shafiq Ades could he eliminated by the state" - change "he" to "be"

Last paragraph in opening text

I don't understand why this line is being removed

"sometimes positing a "malicious Zionist conspiracy" to explain the exodus."^[1]

It was apparently removed for being POV but the main reference supporting it as an actual scholar and professor Philip Mendes, who has spent many years researching the Jewish expulsion from the MENA region. The main reference also has another 10 or so sources supporting it.

Lotsofsalt (talk) 10 April 2024 (UTC)

1) You have been blocked for edit warring over this. 2) It has been reverted by 3 different editors: Onceinawhile (that you personally attacked in one of your edit summaries), Selfstudier and myself. 3) You violated 1RR again. M.Bitton (talk) 11:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Mendes, Philip (2002). The Forgotten Refugees: the causes of the post-1948 Jewish Exodus from Arab Countries. 14th Jewish Studies Conference Melbourne March 2002.
–"The Forgotten Refugees". Archived from the original on 13 January 2013. Retrieved 12 June 2007 – via MEFacts.com.
–"The Forgotten Refugees" – via Palestine Remembered.

The reference does not contain the number 24.000

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What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

Why it should be changed:
The current linked reference does not contain the number 24,000.
The Jews Of Lebanon, Between Coexistence And Conflict, second edition in page 6 puts it at 5,200: "Thus, in 1948 the number of Jews had increased to 5,200 and by 1951 to 9,000, 6,961 of whom were Lebanese citizens."
Sources close to the Near east report and AIPAC put it at 20,000, for example the jewish virtual library (JVL is WP:GUNREL though) or Myths and Facts 1976 A Concise Record of the Arab-Israeli Conflict (page 84)
This jewcy opinion article says "the numbers seem to be closer to 10 – 14,000 than 24,000". It also mentions another now deleted opinion article which seems the source of the 24k claim.

References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Bowad91017 (talk) 02:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

for the 1932 census numbers, it's in the Al Jazeera article here: Uncovering Lebanon’s Jewish past | Arts and Culture | Al Jazeera Bowad91017 (talk) 01:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton Hi, since you replied to the other edit-request in this article. Could you please remove the 24k in the section for lebanon?

Here is the reference used in the current version of the article: Beirut’s last Jews (ynetnews.com) It doesn't contain 24 at all. Bowad91017 (talk) 22:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having reviewed the sources, I can confirm that the current source doesn't support the 24k figure. As for the proposed change, I'm not convinced that the 20k figure should be mentioned since the source is not strong, the jump from 3.5k to 20k in 16 years (without explanation) seems implausible and the claim is contradicted by two recent RS (Kirsten E. Schulze and Al-Jazeera). What is probably worth mentioning is the fact that the population increased in the 1950s due to the wave of immigration from Syria. Here's what I suggest:

The 1932 national census put the country’s Jewish population at around 3,500.^[2] In 1948, there were approximately 5,200 Jews in Lebanon.^[3] Their number increased after the first Arab-Israeli war to roughly 9,000 in 1951, including an estimated 2,000 Jewish asylum seekers.^[3]

I'll leave it here for you and others to review. M.Bitton (talk) 13:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Rainey, Venetia (2014-10-07). "Uncovering Lebanon's Jewish Past". Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera Media Network. Retrieved 2024-05-16.
^ Rainey, Venetia (7 Oct 2014). "Uncovering Lebanon's Jewish past". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 30 May 2024.
^ ^a ^b Kirsten Schulze (2008). The Jews of Lebanon Between Coexistence & Conflict: 2nd Edition. Liverpool University Press. p. 6. ISBN 978-1-78284-783-0.

Not done: Per M. Bitton. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done I implemented the above proposal. Feel free to revert, but please, do ping me if you do. M.Bitton (talk) 20:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Jewish population of Yemen

Yemenite Jews says:

> As of 2024, only 5 Jew remained in Yemen, with one of them being Levi Marhabi.

Cites: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sj7dfbxic

The population table should be updated accordingly. Miraj31415 (talk) 05:42, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In 2024 6 Jews were living in Yemen; 1 has died now there are five left alive Cite https://www.jewishrefugees.org.uk/2024/06/muslims-bury-one-of-the-last-jews-in-yemen.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6010:BB00:288B:E920:DB09:63B3:522A (talk) 12:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lybian Jews

In the paragraph about Lybia, it might be of interest to provide information on the number of Arabic-speaking and Italian-speaking Jews. Andrea Domenici, Pisa, Italy 188.217.54.52 (talk) 12:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Mendes-1] Mendes, Philip (2002). The Forgotten Refugees: the causes of the post-1948 Jewish Exodus from Arab Countries. 14th Jewish Studies Conference Melbourne March 2002.
–"The Forgotten Refugees". Archived from the original on 13 January 2013. Retrieved 12 June 2007 – via MEFacts.com.
–"The Forgotten Refugees" – via Palestine Remembered.

[2] Rainey, Venetia (2014-10-07). "Uncovering Lebanon's Jewish Past". Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera Media Network. Retrieved 2024-05-16.

[Lebcens-3] Rainey, Venetia (7 Oct 2014). "Uncovering Lebanon's Jewish past". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 30 May 2024.

[Kirsten_Schulze-4] Kirsten Schulze (2008). The Jews of Lebanon Between Coexistence & Conflict: 2nd Edition. Liverpool University Press. p. 6. ISBN 978-1-78284-783-0.

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