Talk:Ice King

Ice King has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: August 3, 2023. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Ice King appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 August 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Ice King, the antagonist of television series Adventure Time, was at first received negatively by critics but later praised for representing mental health issues such as Alzheimer's disease?

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GA Review

Passed. — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 09:10, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Golden (talk · contribs) 23:09, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this article in a few days. — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 23:09, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Lead & Infobox

Wikilinking animated television series to Animated series#Television would be more appropriate than Lists of animated television series
and, as Simon Petrikov, - does he become known by this name later in the show? If not, I'd move the real name to the first sentence, making something like: "Ice King, also known as Simon Petrikov, is a fictional character.." or "Simon Petrikov, commonly known as Ice King, is a fictional character.." similar to what we have at Finn the Human article.
The character is voiced by Tom Kenny. -> "He is voiced by Tom Kenny." to avoid two consecutive sentences starting with "The character"
Briefly introduce Tom Kenny in the lead (e.g. "the American actor Tom Kenny")
the character of Ice King - just "the character" is good enough
These later seasons portrayed - This sentence could be merged into the previous one to make something like this: "Originally depicted as an evil but incompetent wizard obsessed with kidnapping princesses, the character evolved later seasons of the show to depict a lonely man driven insane by a magical crown which grants him ice powers."
which focus -> focusing (optional)
There's a three year gap in Ice King's voice actors in the infobox from Kassir in 2007 to Kenny in 2010. Can we add the voice actor in 2007-2010 in the infobox?

Thank you for starting this review! I fixed most of these except for the last point, because the show actually didn't air between 2007-2010 so it went from Kassir to Kenny. BuySomeApples (talk) 02:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Creation and design

Briefly introduce John Kassir at first mention.
Briefly introduce Tom Kenny at first mention in article body.
If we're mentioning voice actors of Finn and Jake, we should mention Bubblegum's voice actor here too.
I'd move the first link for Adventure Time television series to the television series. (optional)
The monologue in which Ice King reveals his tragic past in the third season two-part special "Holly Jolly Secrets" was written by creative director Patrick McHale. - I'm unsure about the relevance of this sentence to Ice King himself.
Introduce Neil Strauss at first mention.

Done! BuySomeApples (talk) 21:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Appearances

Ice King was introduced as an antagonist in the series. and Ice King is introduced as an antagonist of the main characters Finn and Jake. are practically the same sentences and need to be merged.
I would also merge A wizard capable of creating and manipulating snow and ice into the first sentence as something along the lines of: "Ice King, a wizard capable of creating and manipulating snow and ice, was introduced as an antagonist of the main characters of the series, Finn and Jake."
You don't need to wikilink wizard per MOS:OVERLINK
Ice King is the ruler of the Ice Kingdom, which is inhabited by penguins. The Ice Kingdom is located in the land of Ooo, where the series takes place. -> "Ice King rules over the Ice Kingdom, located in the land of Ooo where the series takes place, and is inhabited by penguins." (optional)
in the first season episode -> "in the seventh episode of the first season". I suggest doing this for all the other "X season episode"s (optional)
The second paragraph of this section appears to be irrelevant to Ice King, as Ricardo is portrayed as an independent character, separate from Ice King. I suggest removing it.
He purchased - merge with previous sentence (as "who purchased").
fiance -> fiancé
despite knowing that this would eventually cause him to lose his mind. Simon eventually left Marceline, out of fear that the crown would eventually make him hurt her. - There are three "eventually"s in these two sentences. You should reduce their amount.
Ice Elemental Patience St. Pim - This is our first time reading about this character. He could do with an introduction.
Simon Petrikov is confirmed -> "..is also confirmed"
He is the antagonist of the 2012 videogame Adventure Time: Hey Ice King! Why'd You Steal Our Garbage?!!. He also appeared in the 2013 videogame Adventure Time: Explore the Dungeon Because I Don't Know!. - These sentences should be merged.

I'm working on this section but am gonna have to come back later because it's my bedtime.

Done! BuySomeApples (talk) 21:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Characterization

is generally "incompetent" and "ineffectual" - Whose quote is this? It might be a good idea to amend this to "has been described as.." instead.
depressive episodes - Since Depressive episode redirects to "Major depressive episode", a symptom of Major depressive disorder, which may not be the intended reference, it may be better to link to Depression (mood) instead. Alternatively, the link could be removed altogether, as it could be considered MOS:OVERLINK, given that most people are familiar with the term depression.
Despite being interested in living a normal life -> "Despite wanting to live a normal life" (optional)
Briefly introduce Liz Baessler.
He also stated, "My dad has been going through having Alzheimer's, and he's forgotten so much about who he used to be. And I look at him and think this cartoon is about my father dying." - This sentence seems to focus more on Grossman's personal life than on Ice King. I suggest removing it.
"stretches across boundaries of space and time." - Same as first point in this section.
Briefly introduce Eric Kohn.
Briefly introduce Cormac McCarthy.

Made these changes. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

Briefly introduce Oliver Sava, Charlie Jane Anders, Dan Persons, Juliet Kleber, Eric Thurm
There's some WP:SANDWICH in this section. Consider using a {{multiple image}} template.

References

I checked references #1, 3, 8, 10, 14, 20, 21, 27, 32, 33, 34, 43, 49, 55, 58, 61. I didn't find any major issues, except for the two mentioned below. All sources, except for one mentioned below, support the corresponding material in the article.
Move reference #14, which is cited for the sentence ending with named Simon Petrikov, to the next sentence ending with in northern Scandinavia, since it is also the source for that information but was not cited.
with some critics considering him to be a one-dimensional villain. - This sentence is supported by only one source, in which a single critic describes Ice King in this manner. The opinion should be attributed to that critic.
Consider reorganising the references numerically, although this is optional.

General comments

There are two minor copyvio issues Earwig's detector identified. Paraphrase these two phrases: he is revealed to have once been; in the aftermath of the
Images are relevant and free.

My apologies for the late review. This is a well-written article that has the potential to become a Good Article once the above points are addressed. — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 21:54, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All done! Except for reordering the references numerically because I'm a dullard and don't know what that means. Thank you for taking the time to do this review @Golden:. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:53, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, it was optional anyway. Great work, BuySomeApples. I'm passing the article. Congratulations! — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 09:09, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 01:14, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Ice King, the antagonist of television series Adventure Time, was received negatively by critics at first but was later praised for representing mental health issues such as Alzheimer's disease?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Mustansirite Hardship
- Comment: There's a lot of sources used for this hook which is a summary of the "Reception" section.

Created by BuySomeApples (talk). Self-nominated at 19:59, 8 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ice King; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

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Article was promoted to Good Article status on August 3, 2023. Everything is good. Hook is long [199] but it's in the limit. In my opinion, a picture should be added. The inclusion of more interesting hooks can further enhance the value. RV (talk) 16:30, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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