Talk:Ice (Johnson novel)

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Merge proposal

I've proposed that the pages from three characters of this book, Charles Shepherd (character), Victor Kendall (character) and Gary Lucas (character) be merged into this article. The issue I have is notabilty, this article accepts that "Ice attracted little notice beyond the Christian readership to which Shane Johnson directed it". I believe that given the involvement of Apollo Astronauts Charlie Duke and Alan Bean makes this book sufficently notabile for Wikipedia, I don't belive that this extends to the characters in the book. (I mean, people know who Winston Smith is who haven't read Nineteen Eighty-Four while no one knows who Gary Lucas is who hasn't read Ice, or seen these Wikipedia pages).

The only problem I foresee is that the articles for the to be merged are resonably long, but having read them I feel they can be condensed considerably. If this isn't possible, a potential compromise might be to have a Characters from the novel Ice page, but I feel even this would fail WP:N.Teiresias84 05:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This should be merged - with very little of the character articles surviving - not notable enough. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 14:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At last the merge was done at least well enough to remain. Thanks to whoever put in the effort. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 06:13, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

This article has been renamed from Ice (novel) to Ice (Johnson novel) as the result of a move request.

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was - move to allow for dab page as neither more notable than the other. Keith D (talk) 21:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ice (novel) → Ice (Johnson novel) — To distinguish two novels: Ice (novel) and Ice (Dukaj novel), per WP:NC-BK#Standard disambiguation. —Visor (talk) 12:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Oppose - unnecessary - and why is the question being asked in "Two" places? :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 12:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why two places? Per WP:RM#Requesting potentially controversial moves, step 2. Visor (talk) 14:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I don't think when there are two Ice novels that one should be (novel) and the other (Authorname novel), it seems prejudicial. MilesAgain (talk) 14:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - preserves neutral point of view, not declaring one to be more notable than the other, as the current arrangement does. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support as it makes sense and make the current title a disambig page. 76.65.248.50 (talk) 19:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support, and make Ice (novel) a disambiguation page. Terraxos (talk) 02:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted -- as the actioning of the merge appears to be a rather hamfisted affair. By all mean merge but the content of the merged article needs more than a cut and splice. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 11:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Comment. Just my mistake. Instead of Ice (2002 novel), it should be Ice (Johnson novel), per WP:NC-BK#Standard disambiguation. Should I start a new proposal? Visor (talk) 13:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Better but I still don't really see the need :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 13:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Updated to Ice (Johnson novel). Visor (talk) 14:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Fair use rationale for Image:ShaneJohnson Ice.jpg

Image:ShaneJohnson Ice.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]