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Restoring 2019 Lawsuit Section

On 21 April, 2020, IP 72.80.99.165 (whose only contributions are to this page) deleted a section of the page, stating it wasn't relevant to the school - given the school and specific school faculty were named in the lawsuit documented, it would seem clear that it's relevant. But beyond my own opinion on the subject, the lawsuit's entry onto this page was discussed on BLP back when Cadbury333 first wrote it up, in terms of how much detail from the case was justified, in relation to the size and scope of this article. I've gone through a year's worth of edits and as best I can tell, other than a few small tweaks, the section hadn't been changed significantly since the BLP reached a consensus on exactly what the text of that section would contain. It shouldn't have been deleted without at least some discussion on the Talk page.

So I'm restoring this section, as it was at the time the IP deleted it - though I'm also going to find the most recent updates on the case, to see if any additions are justified. Please do not delete the section again without some editor discussion. There's been some great cleanup of this article, stripping out legal matters that really were just hospital-related and PR stuff off of the school's website. It's a lot more NPOV than it was a few years ago, with this removal being a notable exception. CleverTitania (talk) 12:11, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for re-adding - special:diff/1120278330/1123742741 - yes seems relevant. Bluerasberry (talk) 14:46, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't entirely agree with this edit. It's usually not a good idea to add information to an article about a lawsuit that has been filed unless there has been a resolution of some kind that indicates that the lawsuit was meaningful and had a lasting impact on the subject. Anyone can file a lawsuit for any reason so we usually have to wait for a resolution to determine if the lawsuit was meaningful and impactful. This particular lawsuit was filed in 2019 and it's now (near the end of) 2022 - has this resulted in any substantive change or action? Was it successful in any way? Has anyone followed up on it with further information? ElKevbo (talk) 17:16, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can file a lawsuit but only journalists can clear the story with their editors to get it published in reliable sources, which is the publication standard that Wikipedia requires. The source we are citing in this case is Science (journal), which is the publication of AAAS, which itself is an org with US$100 mil / year revenue. If anyone has a doubt to express about Science's standing to call out discrimination claims in research, then I want to hear them.

The closest policy we have on the matter is Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Crime_victims_and_perpetrators, which is for individuals. In this case we have a large institution which can respond to the journalists whenever they like, and so they do not get the protections we offer to random individuals without a prior public presence. If you have other ideas I will talk it through with you but this seems in order to me. Bluerasberry (talk) 20:37, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]