Talk:Ibn al-Wardi

Date inconsistency

At present, the section Kharidat states:

"The author also speaks about Slavs and their lifestyle and mentions al-Mahdiyya as the residence of the Fatimid dynasty. Therefore, the book is older than the city of Kairo (founded in 969 C. E.)."

However, the lede sentence states:

"Abū Ḥafs Zayn al-Dīn ʻUmar ibn al-Muẓaffar Ibn al-Wardī (Arabic: عمر ابن مظفر ابن الوردي‎), known as Ibn al-Wardi, was an Arab historian AH 691 (1291/1292)-AH 749 (1348/1349), the author of Kharīdat … "

Since someone who lived from 1291 to 1348 A.D. could not have written a book in 969 A.D., presumably the editor is suggesting that Ibn al-Wardī copied a book that pre-dated 969 A.D. However, this seems to be a rather drastic conclusion to draw from a single sentence.

Furthermore, there is no citation given for the claim that the sentence appeared in Ibn al-Wardi's book.

VexorAbVikipædia (talk) 23:47, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Years of life
Russian: Арабский писатель ал-Барди (Al-Bardy), умерший в 1350 от чумного мора — Al Bardy (died 1350). --Psheno (talk) 14:18, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ابن الوردي

أحلم هذا السم 42.191.71.211 (talk) 06:58, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

broken link

where is the detailed external digital map ? Stjohn1970 (talk) 20:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two people

... with identical names:

"He is a compiler. And a difficult one, as he doesn't mention the authors, nor does he update their work.

As examples I would give that to him the capital of the Fatimid dynasty is al-Mahdiyya. This must be taken

out of a work older then 968 when Cairo became the capital. Others are his stories taken from Masudi

(without mentioning his name) in which the Zenj warriors ride on cattle. And his first chapter is almost entirely

based on Yaqut's geography. And as a result those trying to date his work start from c. 900 to 1456. The

later mentions 1789 or 1778... are the dates of the manuscripts found. One more date that is mentioned

often 1349 in which Ibn Al Wardi died of plague. This was another Ibn Al Wardi, but the complete name is in

both cases the same. In more recent works the Ibn al Wardi concerned is often called pseudo Ibn al Wardi."

https://pieterderideaux.jimdofree.com/8-contents-1451-1500/ibn-al-wardi-1456/

So we are dealing with an Ibn Al-Wardi who died in 1349 (https://plagueanthology.com/2020/07/24/ibn-al-wardi-on-the-advance-of-plague-1348/) and an Ibn al Wardi ("pseudo") who was working up to 1456. A third source mentions one who dies in 1330, but that is most likely the d. 1349 one.

Note also confusing book auction lot: https://www.orientalartauctions.com/object/art3003736-kharitat-al-ajaib-wa-faridat-al-gharaib-the-pearl-of-wonders-and-uniqueness-of-strange-things-by-ibn-al-wardi-dated-1

"The author Siraj al-din Abu Hafs Omar bin al-muzaffar bin al-Wardi who died in 852 AH/1447 AD. Ibn al-Wardi, the grandson, was an agricultural scientist and geographer, wrote many books including this book, 'Benefits of plants' and 'Obligations and Benefits'. This book is mistakenly attributed to his grandfather but it was written in 822 AH/1419 AD 71 year after the death of the grandfather." - Author/geographer d. 1447, this book written in 1419. Grandfather was the one who died in 1348 of plague, and therefore the poet. Confusing and will need some work to delineate in this article, which can be used to refer to both people. Allanaaaaaaa (talk) 20:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]