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GA Review

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 13:21, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Infobox

• Don't use commas, on the songwriters, rather use hlist parameters.
• Recorded: Los Angeles, 2004 → source?

It is on the cover's liner notes. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Lead

• Add the inclusion of the song in most of his tours.

 Done

Background and release

• and this inspired "I Have Forgiven Jesus" → and that/such inspired "I Have Forgiven Jesus"
• me" → [him]"..if you are talking on the third person you just can't change it in the middle of the sentence
• "In late 2004, prior to the release of the song, he appeared at a Halloween concert and on television dressed as a priest" → has this something to do with the song or is just trivia? If it's the former, is in need of context.

• I understand it can seem like trivia, but I think it's a background/context information to the release of song. It's more like a promotional thing to anticipate the theme of his new song. However, the sources don't give more context. If you still think it's trivia, I don't mind removing it. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

It makes sense due to the music video. Perhaps some reference to the music video. Since he is dressing the same way? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:27, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• I've mentioned the music video to anticipate the relation. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

• produced by Jerry Finn[4] → the source at the end of the sentence
• James Maker's → no red links

 Done

Relation to religion

• Because of the way the song inverts the divine-human relations, both academics and journalists have described it as "blasphemy" and "blasphemous → you have five sources after this sentence, three are more than enough, remove two.

Removed all that are discussed deeply on the following paragraphs. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• Biographer David Bret commented there was a description of the way "as a Dutiful catholic boy he withstood humiliation and condescension to attend church" in the part "Through hail and snow, I'd go just to moon you". → what are you trying to say here?

• I'm trying to say that Bret interpreted the part of the song ("Through hail and snow, I'd go just to moon you") as a metaphor to the humiliation he went through as a "Dutiful catholic boy" attending church

in the line → in the verse. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:25, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• In the sequence, Morrissey sings "I carried my heart in my hand", which is Hopps suggested could be an allusion the Sacred Heart → unclear, what do you mean?

• Clarified? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Much better. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:25, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Relation to Morrissey discography

• "Let Me Kiss You"; "Irish Blood, English Heart" → release dates for each one

 Done

Critical reception

• Fine

Chart performance

• This marked Morrissey's fourth straight-to-the-top-10 single of the year → shouldn't it be fifth?

• Hm, I see now that's a bit unclear. But, no, it's the fourth. It follows "Irish Blood, English Heart", "First of the Gang to Die", and "Let Me Kiss You" (I didn't explicitly say it on the text because my source doesn't do it either), not "Suedehead", "Everyday Is Like Sunday", "The Last of the Famous International Playboys", and "Interesting Drug". The four 2004 songs repeat the same achievement of the 1988–1989 songs. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

It's a bit confusing. How about you get a Uk charts source with those songs, remove the ones from the '90s and just say he achieved the same feat back in the 90's. Am I making myself clear? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:39, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• I got your idea. However, I've kept the 90's ones. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

• Put the release year of each song after the title and not at the end of the sentence. Still not sure about having all these titles here.
• December 2004 and 22 January 2005 → day for December?

I thought it would be useless to repeat the day from "Background and release". Added anyway as it's helpful to the reader. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• declining to numbers 28, 36, 48, and 71 before leaving the Top 100 → declining each week before leaving the Top 100 (if people want to see more, they can click on the link)
• UK Independent Singles Chart → UK Indie

• Not sure. Why should we use its informal name rather than the official one? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Take a look at the charts box. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:39, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• I see the charts box. However, the official site don't use this name. As a compromise, I've added "UK Indie" inside parenthesis after the full name. Is it good? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

• where it entered the Top 60 chart at number 33 → where it entered at number 33

• Changed to "national chart" to keep the link to Sverigetopplistan. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• "Its best performance outside its domestic market was in Sweden" → It was the only, so seems a bit redundant saying so. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:39, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Good point. I've rewritten it. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Music video

• Fine

Live performances

• Who Put the M in Manchester? → date of release

It was mentioned on "Music video", but it may be more clear this way. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Formats and track listings

• Remove the AllMusic source, its not the most reliable regarding releases.

• Is there any particular discussion you can refer me to? I think it's not a contentious content, as I'm just using it basically to include Sanctuary Records as a publisher. The dates and tracks are sourced by other references. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Not really, but AllMusic should only be used for reviews as they have several errors in their releases. I can't find the discussion for such. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:16, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• I'll try to find a replacement or I'll remove the information backed up. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done All the information was alreayd backed up.

Credits and personnel

• The name comes before the role.

• Is there a guideline for this? I ask genuinely because it seems even among FAs there's no standard; see Don't Stop the Music (Rihanna song) or Déjà Vu (Beyoncé song), for example. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Here. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:19, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Charts

• Fine

See also

• Remove. It can be accessed on the navigation box at the end of the page.

 Done

References

• Wikilink people, Rolling Stone, The A.V. Club, Pop matters and time magazine. I might have missed one.

• They are all linked in the body, and following WP:OVERLINK I prefer not to link them again. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

It's not overlink, overlink would have them linked twice. Its's linking in the references, different from the body of the article. "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:15, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• "if helpful". My understanding is that they're not helpful. Many readers don't even check references I guess. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

• AllMusic → publisher

• It's a website definitely. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I thought you had it as work, my bad. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:15, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• Fix deprecated parameter of 21 and 79

• Are you sure it's 21 and 79? I see nothing wrong with them. Could you point them more specifically? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Its link 30, sorry. Not sure if antiMusic is reliable. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:15, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Some bot fixed link 30. As for antiMusic, I'll try to find a replacement or I'll remove the information backed up. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I will wait until you replace it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:37, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: Replaced. Changed the text accordingly. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Bibliography

• All the bibliography must have the same parameters, needs to be concise. Missing publisher, locations, editors in some magazines, as well as ISBN.

• I don't see any missing publisher; location and editors are not really needed; all books have their ISBNs. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

If you have fo one, you should have for everyone. Just not a couple have and others don't, need to be concise. Is the doi the same as ISBN? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:15, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• "If you have fo one, you should have for everyone". I don't get it. All books have their ISBNs listed. Only books have ISBN; journal articles have doi; and thesis have neither ISBN nor doi. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Nevermind.  Done

External links

• Fine.

Overall

• Don't adress any issues until I fully review the article. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:47, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Did you finish your review, MarioSoulTruthFan? Ping me if so. Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 02:28, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

@Gabriel Yuji: I'm sorry for the delay, you can now address the issues. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:55, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: No problems. I think I've addressed or replied to all your issues. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: Sorry for the dealy. I've fixed almost everything. I'm a bit busy in real life and that's why I did not return early. I'll finish my remaning points soon too. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2019 (UTC)