Talk:I Care So Much That I Don't Care at All/GA1

GA Review

Passed. Chchcheckit (talk) 11:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Locust member (talk · contribs) 19:35, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Chchcheckit (talk · contribs) 21:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok, why not // Chchcheckit (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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review pending below, when i finish it. in the meantime here's some initial stuff.

Comments

honestly covers most bases in terms of scope and context.
Y suggestion: NME notes that the tour he embarked on was the first with an actual live band, probably worth mentioning in promotion. also you could add abba the 1975 bon iver (also from nme cover story) and mura masa (the last one is found here) to that line in background about influences
all sources are reliable
artwork has non free use rationale; no other media

stuff to address:

Y Copyvio issues (earwig): 3 sources flagged (pitchfork, dork, metacritic). You can fix the issue with dork by removing the quote box since it's kinda redundant. The other issues appear to be more with overuse of quotations: try to put what they say (especially Pitchfork: 49.7% vio) into your own words instead (attribute where necessary)

otherwise i have like little to no issues. gonna check some of the sources listed (aint much other interviews i could search for) yeah // Chchcheckit (talk) 22:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good, I'll change the quotes into my own words; I didn't realize how much I relied on quotes. Locust member (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added in the additional influences and the fact his tour had a live band. All references are under 40% on earwig now. Locust member (talk) 23:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Locust member good going! i've done a few minor copyedits but here's what's left

Lead: I Care So Much That I Don't Care at All is primarily emo pop and indie pop, a departure from Glaive's original hyperpop sound. do without the red line as you already mention glaive's transition away from hyperpop in the first paragraph of lead, so it's kinda redundant
suggestion: specify when north america tour happens (between july and august 2023, per cited brooklynvegan source). also: uk/european tour for album occurs in november per this source

otherwise having checked through the sources for the songs section (plus 1 minor tweak) im pretty happy with this article. // Chchcheckit (talk) 11:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Locust member (talk) 13:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Locust member Alright. I've copyedited some stuff ill detail here:

overview: i changed description changed from emo pop and indie pop to emo, pop and rock, which are the common descriptors i found in reviews/articles. the minority descriptions have still been accounted for, wheter in overview. the songs section is untouched
overview: paragraph from clash relocated from end of 1st to end of 2nd.

There's not much else to do, besides:

he slowly started transitioning to pop music. needs better explaination in body; nme quote doesn't really clarify how he threatened to go beyond hyperpop. is there any way to explain how and why he transitioned? (vulture and wired state he got into emo music around the time of the album's recording so perhaps there's something there?)

...and i think after, that'll be it // Chchcheckit (talk) 12:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are some good changes there, thank you! I believe that sentence was WP:CRUFT on my part (just by witnessing his transition over the past four years); sorry for that. I removed the sentence and put back in "I Care So Much That I Don't Care at All is primarily an emo, pop and rock album, a departure from his original hyperpop sound." which is referenced numerous times in the article. I did also put back in the "the" in front of "American musician Glaive" per WP:FALSETITLE, though I've seen GA's with and without the "the". I prefer it with, but if you would like it gone that's fine with me. Locust member (talk) 13:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I added in some sources to show that pubs described All Dogs Go To Heaven as more than hyperpop and Then I'll Be Happy as pop. In the lead, I wrote: "Originally labelled a hyperpop artist, he became interested in making Midwest emo while recording the album." I also included this into the Background and recording section of the article and was included in the Wired article. Locust member (talk) 21:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Woo, good job with some of the copyedits. sorry was burnt out

Lead A coming of age record, its lyrics are introspective and self-criticisms. redo
background/recording: the "wanted to create midwest emo" is kinda wrong: wired article states: For his full-length debut, he got really into “midwest emo,” he says. “Really depressing, sad guitar songs.” describing the songs but not saying he wanted to pursue that direction. in the Vulture interview he states that "subconsciously, or maybe even consciously, what I’m listening to at the time does very much dictate that", and that at the start of recording he got into emo music: "And then when I started recording this album, I had just found out about Brand New and fucking Modern Baseball and like all these [laughs] like emo, for lack of a better term, bands. [...] This is probably my biggest thing: I don’t come into it with an idea of what’s going to happen. Which is why it took so long. I feel like I just didn’t know."
background/recording: Ali Shutler of NME said that Old Dog, New Tricks saw Glaive "threaten[ing] to outgrow the [hyperpop] scene entirely." Writing for the same website, Ben Jolley wrote that All Dogs Go to Heaven "extend[s] far beyond the hyperpop umbrella". Mano Sundaresan of Pitchfork said Then I'll Be Happy "rarely sounds like hyperpop" and labelled it as pop. with the above point in mind, it might be best to forgo this part to avoid WP:OR

// Chchcheckit (talk) 23:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All good, I get it. I removed all the info that could cross over into OR and I think I'll just stick with "I Care So Much That I Don't Care at All is primarily an emo, pop and rock album, a departure from Glaive's original hyperpop sound." Referenced numerous times throughout the article and just works the best I think.

And on the redo, I changed it to "The album shifts between desperation and hopefulness, addressing themes of coming of age and outgrowing his hometown using introspective and self-critiquing lyricism."

Hopefully that's good, and thank you again Locust member (talk) 03:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've copyedited some more stuff for flow reasons, and now it's ready to be listed. IK there's been much copyediting/changes but honestly this is a pretty decent first GA article, so good job. //Chchcheckit (talk) 11:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

also uhhh random spotcheck

Y After making around 80 songs for the album, Glaive started to run out of ideas to write about. This led him to start writing lyrics that were introspective and self-criticisms instead of writing about what was happening around him.[11][15] When writing and recording the album, Glaive would discuss with Hazin about what his fans might think about his departure from hyperpop. They both decided that the people who didn't like his change in style "didn't necessarily like him" and instead only "liked the algorithm thing that they were presented with".[16] Verified
Y When recording the album, Glaive was inspired by bands and musicians such as Brand New, Modern Baseball,[15] the 1975, Bon Iver, ABBA,[11] and Mura Masa.[18] verified
Y I Care So Much That I Don't Care at All's opening track is "Oh Are You Bipolar One or Two?", a track about suicidal ideation, self-hatred, and Glaive's experience of anxiety during his rise to fame.[8][10][19] The track begins with a soft piano and transitions into "stadium-sized" drums.[11] The following "As If" begins with a sample of Timothée Chalamet's monologue in the off-Broadway play Prodigal Son. Verified
Y With the exception of "I'm Nothing That's All I Am", each single was accompanied by a music video shot in Georgia and directed by Adrian Vilagomez as a part of a trilogy.[32][33]

// Chchcheckit (talk) 13:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]