Talk:IQ and Global Inequality

The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour, which is a contentious topic. Please consult the procedures and edit carefully.

Arbitration Ruling on Race and Intelligence

The article IQ and Global Inequality, along with other articles relating to the area of conflict (namely, the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour, broadly construed), is currently subject to active arbitration remedies, described in a 2010 Arbitration Committee case where the articulated principles included:

Pillars: Wikipedia articles must be neutral, verifiable and must not contain original research. Those founding principles (the Pillars) are not negotiable and cannot be overruled, even when apparent consensus to do so exists.
Original research: Wikipedia defines "original research" as "facts, allegations, ideas, and stories not already published by reliable sources". In particular, analyses or conclusions not already published in reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy are not appropriate for inclusion in articles.
Correct use of sources: Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources. Primary sources are permitted if used carefully. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than to original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors.
Advocacy: Wikipedia strives towards a neutral point of view. Accordingly, it is not the appropriate venue for advocacy or for advancing a specific point of view. While coverage of all significant points of view is a necessary part of balancing an article, striving to give exposure to minority viewpoints that are not significantly expressed in reliable secondary sources is not.
Single purpose accounts: Single purpose accounts are expected to contribute neutrally instead of following their own agenda and, in particular, should take care to avoid creating the impression that their focus on one topic is non-neutral, which could strongly suggest that their editing is not compatible with the goals of this project.
Decorum: Wikipedia users are expected to behave reasonably, calmly, and courteously in their interactions with other users; to approach even difficult situations in a dignified fashion and with a constructive and collaborative outlook; and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute. Unseemly conduct, such as personal attacks, incivility, assumptions of bad faith, harassment, or disruptive point-making, is prohibited.
Tag-team editing: Tag teams work in unison to push a particular point of view. Tag-team editing – to thwart core policies (neutral point of view, verifiability, and no original research); or to evade procedural restrictions such as the three revert rule or to violate behavioural norms by edit warring; or to attempt to exert ownership over articles; or otherwise to prevent consensus prevailing – is prohibited.

If you are a new editor, or an editor unfamiliar with the situation, please follow the above guidelines. You may also wish to review the full arbitration case page. If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first.

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the IQ and Global Inequality article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3: 2 years

Anthropology Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Anthropology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Anthropology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.AnthropologyWikipedia:WikiProject AnthropologyTemplate:WikiProject AnthropologyAnthropology articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.

Books

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Books. To participate in the project, please visit its page, where you can join the project and discuss matters related to book articles. To use this banner, please refer to the documentation. To improve this article, please refer to the relevant guideline for the type of work.BooksWikipedia:WikiProject BooksTemplate:WikiProject BooksBook articles

Economics Low‑importance

	Business and economics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Economics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Economics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EconomicsWikipedia:WikiProject EconomicsTemplate:WikiProject EconomicsEconomics articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Psychology Low‑importance

	Psychology portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Psychology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Psychology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PsychologyWikipedia:WikiProject PsychologyTemplate:WikiProject Psychologypsychology articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Sociology Low‑importance

	Society portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sociology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of sociology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SociologyWikipedia:WikiProject SociologyTemplate:WikiProject Sociologysociology articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Discrimination

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Discrimination, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Discrimination on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DiscriminationWikipedia:WikiProject DiscriminationTemplate:WikiProject DiscriminationDiscrimination articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the importance scale.

Request to add back the list of I.Q scores

Honestly, I don't see the commonsense or logic to add an map showing "I.Q statistics from 2002" which is less informative than the list ( that someone removed) which already showed way better and accurate information that displays the number of I.Q scores in each countries from 2002. And their both basically the same thing, only difference is the list was way more accurate and informative on statistics. How exactly do we know which country has the highest I.Q to lowest I.Q? please stop vandalism and reducing accurate information. (And sorry for my english). WarriorsPride6565 (talk) 6:51, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Legend inconsistency on world IQ map

There is now an SVG version available https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World-iq-map-lynn-2006.svg of the map with the following improvements:

it leaves countries that are not estimated in the book flagged as NA
the legend is consistent (one bucket is missing it the PNG version)

Olivello (talk) 07:27, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have added your information in the Wikicommons page. I will replace the PNG version with your SVG version in the article. Veverve (talk) 23:08, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia and Montenegro did not exist at the time of the study yet they were given 93 as if they were? The article goes by equal to or great than which makes sense as 5 number intervals. Yet the map itself uses greater than 85, or greater than 90? 74.101.190.2 (talk) 23:43, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Map inaccurate by Lynn and Vanhanen in their book IQ and Global Inequality.

Croatia for example is Average IQ 90 yet is depicted as equal to or greater than 85 green as apposed to b light blue for equal to or greater than 90. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.190.2 (talk) 23:41, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the legend. Veverve (talk) 23:53, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Also based on the 2006 study Serbia is 89 and Bosnia is 90. https://books.google.fr/books?hl=fr&id=rA8RAQAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Serbia

Also, the same researchers published a 2012 followup called Intelligence that updates IQ scores with correction found in the previous years. https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/intelligence-a-unifying-construct-for-the-social-sciences-richard-lynn-and-tatu-vanhanen.pdf 74.101.190.2 (talk) 02:16, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Croatia

Pick another card, because this one is absolute rubbish!

Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen used IQ tests of children aged between 13 and 16 years old from 1952. Very reputable both of them. Later they had to correct their data. Unfortunately, this information has already been spread by equally dubious authors in several books, for whatever reason. Now is the Average iq for Croatia 99.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229401257_National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations

Many of the most intelligent people in the world come from Croatia and you should accept that!

Three Croatians on the list of the smartest people alive today.

https://www.croatiaweek.com/3-croatians-make-30-smartest-people-alive-today-list/

The World Genius Directory Geniuses http://psiq.org/home.html

At least 7 Croats are among the 200 most intelligent people in the world. IQ Score: 192, 183, 180, 174, 163, 160, 151

Approximately 7 from Germany - 182 He is Turk not even a German, 165, 158, 156, 156, 153, 147

Approximatly 5 from France - 162, 158, 154, 150, 141

Approximatly 7 from the United Kingdom - 171, 167, 163, 153, 148, 144, 135

Approximatly 38 from Japan

Approximatly 30 from China

Approximatly 14 from Korea

Approximatly 21 from Italy

Four Croats have a higher IQ than the highest IQ-Score for Germany (182 is a Turk) and the United Kingdom and even five Croats have a higher IQ than the highest IQ-Score for France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.25.6.141 (talk) 12:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]