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Complete Labour party press release

Hi, my edit was removed, I assure you it was not a party release, it is a result of the Jones article being deleted this week due to candidates not being notable in their own right,so there was some comment about this and I have seen it done at other pages although I cant remember where, that a small simple comment can be put here about all the candidates as they are not notable enough for there own article, each candidate could have a small comment, a couple of lines, any thoughts? Off2riorob (talk) 15:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Theres a lengthy discussion here

Proposed change to WP:POLITICIAN

In re-reading WP:POLITICIAN, I'm realizing the language we have there largely already says what I would want it to say (see my above comment) though we could strengthen it a bit so it comes off more as "this is what we do" rather than "here's what you might do." I would suggest we change the sentence "In the case of candidates for political office who do not meet this guideline, consider redirecting to an appropriate page covering the election or political office sought in lieu of deletion" to read as follows:

In the case of candidates for political office who do not meet this guideline, the general rule is to redirect to an appropriate page covering the election or political office sought in lieu of deletion. Relevant material from the biographical article can be merged into the election or political office page if appropriate.

I have the deleted article here in my userspace and simply moved the first line over. Off2riorob (talk) 15:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the AFD deletion discussion of the Jones article. Off2riorob (talk) 15:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think the problem with WP:POLITICIAN is its US-bias. The culture of candidates and their quotes is very different to ours. I am also doubtful that a substantial paragraph from the candidate promoting the Labour cause goes further than it should on an article which, ultimately, should be the first point of reference for people looking for election results, not statements from candidates. doktorb _words^deeds 15:56, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 UK general election

Cristian Peoples party

Reverend Kevin Logan a former Accrington vicar.^[1]

Liberal Democrat party

Andrew Rankine standing for amongst other things, Fairer taxes To bring an end where the lowest paid 20% of the population pay a greater share of their pay in taxes than the highest paid 20%. Handing power back to local communities Devolving power to the lowest level possible, removing the power of Whitehall to determine local solutions. ^[2]

Labour party

Graham Jones is the Labour Party opposition council leader and candidate for Hyndburn at the 2010 UK general election.^[3] After his candidacy was announced Jones said he felt privileged at the party’s support and said investment, not cuts, would be his route to a better Hyndburn.^[4]

References

^ "Rev Kevin Logan\publisher=The lancashire post". Retrieved Febuary 4th, 2010. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
^ {cite web|url=http://www.rankine.com%7Ctitle=Personal links|Publisher=Andrew Rankine|accessdate=Febuary 4th, 2010}}
^ "Labour candidate criticises Hyndburn MP's Gordon Brown quit call". Lancashire Telegraph. Retrieved 2010-01-24.
^ "Hyndburn Labour successor to Greg Pope announced". The Lancashire Telegraph. November 22, 2009. Retrieved January 25, 2010.

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Well , as I said there is some community support for this position, as for cut and copy, that is irrelevant, this is not your article, and the addition is not harmful and what have the other 3500 articles got to do with this addition ? I suggest you chill out and let someone else add something, or I can happily ask for RFC, shall I do that if you object so much about it? Off2riorob (talk) 06:59, 5 February 2010 (UTC) Also would you explain your edit summary, These copy and paste quotes add nothing to the article, violate NPOV, and for fairness would need to be sourced x3,500 across all seats. I fail to see what I have added that is against NPOV or what 3500 other articles have got to do with it. Off2riorob (talk) 07:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, this is not my article. However over the years of editing, many on the UK parliament and politics community have built up a good consensus on what is relevant and what is not. Adding possible CopyVio quotes from candidates is something which has never been included. Wikipedia is not a news source, remember. Further, to ensure these new additions do no violate WP:NPOV, each and every candidate across each and every seat would require similar quotes adding to articls. THis would be a nightmare to administrate without major vandalism threats and validation. It would also lead to arguments over what quotes were party political point scoring, and which were "valid". In addition, these articles are ultimately for the recording of electoral results. Having candidate quotes for one election is a temporary thing, more suited to a blog, or a site such as UK Polling Report or Vote-UK.

I fully support and welcome, as all editors do, alterations and improvements to articles. There is a line to be drawn, however, when it comes to edits such as your proposed changes, especially when the consequences are taken into account. doktorb _words^deeds 07:12, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RFC - Adding a small comment in the article about the 2010 election candidates

I am trying to add a few small cited comments about the candidates for the 2010 election here, the candidates do not meet the notability for their own article and Jones article was AFD'd the other day, this approach was suggested in a discussion regarding altering the wording the political notability. I don't see any problem with it and think a little added detail about the candidate would be informative to the reader. I have created a redirect for jones and would create one for the others too.The discussion regarding altering the wording to the political notability where this position was suggested is here . Off2riorob (talk) 07:14, 5 February 2010 (UTC) Associated text brought from the discussion page..Proposed change to WP:POLITICIAN[reply]

Here is the associated discussion from there...In re-reading WP:POLITICIAN , I'm realizing the language we have there largely already says what I would want it to say (see my above comment) though we could strengthen it a bit so it comes off more as "this is what we do" rather than "here's what you might do." I would suggest we change the sentence "In the case of candidates for political office who do not meet this guideline, consider redirecting to an appropriate page covering the election or political office sought in lieu of deletion" to read as follows:

In the case of candidates for political office who do not meet this guideline, the general rule is to redirect to an appropriate page covering the election or political office sought in lieu of deletion. Relevant material from the biographical article can be merged into the election or political office page if appropriate. The is the position there that got support and the position I was editing to here. Off2riorob (talk) 07:30, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 election

The entire section on the candidates was properly deleted. However it might have eben better if the references had been retained, and attached to the candidates names in the Election Box, possibly by placing an external link in the space for the votes cast. These links will not be needed once the election is over. Peterkingiron (talk) 01:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possible vandalism

Unlogged in editors have been altering the article, including election figures. They have also altered text on proposed boundary reorganisation, which may be appropriate. Could some one investigate what has gone on and rectify it? Peterkingiron (talk) 11:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Rev Kevin Logan\publisher=The lancashire post". Retrieved Febuary 4th, 2010. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)

[2] {cite web|url=http://www.rankine.com%7Ctitle=Personal links|Publisher=Andrew Rankine|accessdate=Febuary 4th, 2010}}

[lanctel-3] "Labour candidate criticises Hyndburn MP's Gordon Brown quit call". Lancashire Telegraph. Retrieved 2010-01-24.

[4] "Hyndburn Labour successor to Greg Pope announced". The Lancashire Telegraph. November 22, 2009. Retrieved January 25, 2010.

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