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Hwasong -17 or not

The History has a entry about the launch of a missile on March 24, 2022. It both states the launch of a Hwasong-17 as fact but lists the doubts. Should it be mentioned this way? It either was a Hwasong-17 or it wasn't. Bruce A. WIlliamson (talk) 15:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Range

Open Nuclear Network reference gives a range of 1,090 km, which appears in the table under "Test Launches". The BBC claims 15,000 km, but none have been tested to 15,000 km - the dubious BBC ref should be removed. 182.239.147.20 (talk) 08:34, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is wrong. They are tested at a extremely steep trajectory and as a consequence they only travel about 1,000 km across the Earth's surface. Scientifically you can determine the range at a "normal" trajectory which is 15,000km.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

With respect, regardless of what an editor may think we need to deal with the facts. The fact is the missile has a measured range of 1,090 km from a reliable source. What we have from the BBC is conjecture (and one might suspect politically motivated conjecture as well, but we shall leave that alone). Are you able to provide a reference to support "Scientifically you can determine the range at a "normal" trajectory which is 15,000km", please, so that can be included in the article? 182.239.147.20 (talk) 01:19, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with the BBC?--Jack Upland (talk) 06:28, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The missile travelled 1,090 km in a lofted trajectory. That is, the missile is fired at a very steep angle to simulate it being fired at its maximum range. This provides the designer with a means of estimating the missile's range while not overflying or landing near other states. A missile THAT big does not have a range of 1,090 km... 81.178.186.66 (talk) 13:30, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Open Nuclear Network source agrees that "the newly-launched ICBM would have a higher maximum range, possibly reaching the 15000 km benchmark", so 1090km is clearly wrong. The range in the ONN table is the range of the test, and not the operational range of the ICBM. The Wikipedia infobox is for the operational range; since the 15km+ range was reported "as fact" by the BBC, IMHO Wikipedia should report it as fact as well in the summary per WP:RS, unless a comparably WP:DUE dissenting source can be found. That said, we can certainly go into more detail in the text regarding who has estimated what. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 23:03, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Page image

The page image for the Hwasong-17 doesn't show the Hwasong-17 or its 11-axle TEL, it shows a schematic of a Hwasong-15 with its 9-axle TEL. Would it be possible for somebody to change the page image to an actual image or schematic of the Hwasong-17? Thanks. 2A01:4B00:FB03:4300:7DCA:9C58:861B:2E53 (talk) 12:05, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I thought the TEL looked far too small... 81.178.186.66 (talk) 13:31, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]