Talk:Huh Yunjin

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On 8 October 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Huh Yun-jin to Huh Yunjin. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 8 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 11:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh Yun-jin → Huh Yunjin – Similarly to Kim Chaewon, proposing removing hyphen from name as it seems:

the subject seemingly has a preference that her name not be romanized with the hyphen (Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean))
the subject's name is romanized with no hyphen in all official releases, and by the subject's agency
the name is romanized without the hyphen in a large number of English-language reliable sources (WP:COMMONNAME)

Examples: Nylon Magazine, People Magazine, NME, Billboard, Consequence, W Magazine, Dazed, USA TODAY, Cosmopolitan, Wired, Bandwagon, Star News Korea, Rolling Stone, The Korea Times, Dork Magazine, The Line of Best Fit, Uproxx, Yonhap News Agency, The Korea Herald, The Hankook Ilbo, Korea JoongAng Daily, Maeil Business Times

Of course, you'll also find some sources that romanize it with the hyphen. But I'd argue that the subject's assumed preference that her name be romanized without the hyphen (WP:NCKO) (per her social media romanizing without the hyphen[1] , all solo releases being romanized without the hyphen[2], romanized by her agency without the hyphen[3] etc), combined with the wide variety of English-language reliable sources that romanize it without the hyphen (WP:COMMONNAME), this should be reflected in this article. RachelTensions (talk) 03:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, happened to see a post about her just after this without the hyphen, seems a clear preference for her. orangesclub 🍊 22:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Citizenship of South Korea

For the lead, I believe the nationality information may be incorrect. This situation is similar to that of Bang Chan. She was born in South Korea but moved to the United States at 8 months old and lived there until she was 16, meaning she likely became naturalized in the U.S. Similarly, Bang Chan was born in South Korea but moved to Australia at a young age, and there is no evidence of either of them holding South Korean citizenship. I think this detail should be removed Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 02:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we want to remove "South Korean" then we should remove both and not state any nationalities unless we have a reliable source that clearly and unambiguously states her nationality. We know she was born in South Korea to South Korean parents. But per South Korean nationality law, if she voluntarily acquired American nationality then she would've, by law, given up South Korean.

But we cannot assume, without reliable sources, that she is an American citizen just because she was raised there. There are millions of permanent residents that live in the United States their whole lives but never acquire citizenship, especially since, in this case, it would mean relinquishing her South Korean citizenship which is something many people just don't want to do.

I'll propose the following wording: "Huh Yunjin (Korean: 허윤진; born October 8, 2001) is singer-songwriter and producer of South Korean origin and American upbringing." which avoids WP:BLP assumptions either way unless we have reliable sources. RachelTensions (talk) 11:13, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a source to support her being an American citizen. Source: [4], Source 2: [5], Source 3:[6] Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 11:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IMO I'd be cautious using a blog-style post like that first one which is essentially just a description of a vlog that appeared on Le Sserafim's channel.

The other two are a little less ambiguous though so I'd be fine with something to the effect of "Huh Yunjin (Korean: 허윤진; born October 8, 2001) is an American singer-songwriter and producer of South Korean origin" RachelTensions (talk) 11:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the of South Korean origin is needed. Just have it as an American singer-songwriter and producer. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 11:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

then maybe the common "based in South Korea" that we seem to frequently use for non-South Korean nationals that work and live in South Korea? RachelTensions (talk) 11:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That works. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 11:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added those refs, I also added an inline comment because I know someone will come along and think it's wrong. RachelTensions (talk) 12:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: categories... can we sus out whether these categories are still appropriate or should we revise?

"South Korean singer"-related categories:
Category:21st-century South Korean singers
Category:21st-century South Korean women singers
Category:South Korean female idols
Category:South Korean women pop singers
Category:South Korean women singer-songwriters

Also, these... presumably one cannot be both an American expatriate in South Korea while also simultaneously being a South Korean expatriate in America, right?
Category:American expatriates in South Korea
Category:South Korean expatriates in the United States RachelTensions (talk) 13:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the delayed response, but that is correct. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 22:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]