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Hi Mary. I agree that the newer version is much better, unfortunately, the image has the following tag added to it:
The uploader did not provide sufficient information (a valid and suitable tag) on this media's copyright status. Unless the copyright status is provided, the file could be deleted seven days after the upload (23 April 2019). Please note that Commons does not accept files claimed under fair use.
To resolve this issue, the following decision tree should be taken:
Does the file meet the threshold for originality? The image appears to be simply letters and shapes, so the file may not meet the criteria for originality, in which case it should be uploaded to the Commons with that type of license.
If it meets the threshold for originality, can it be uploaded under the fair use exemption? If this is the case, then the file should be uploaded to Wikipedia (not Wikimedia Commons) and given a fair use license. If uploaded under fair use, the file will need to be drastically reduced in size (to less than 250x150px, for example).
Personally I think your best bet would be to skip to step number 2.[a] In either event, the file will need to be uploaded in a more suitable container. PDF's are not used for images; PNG or SVG are preferred.[b]
Regards, Spintendo22:38, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Notes
^Because if the file is later determined to meet the threshold for originality (which it may well meet) then this step will have been all for naught.
@Hello-Mary-H: You're welcome. As I stated above, I think your best bet would be to do #2. Converting the PDF to an SVG (using a raster-to-vector program) even though its a reduced size, the SVG generated by it is superior in quality to any other type of file. For example, take a look at the logo for American Airlines. Even though that file is only 300 × 46 (25 KB) in size, you can see how large the image ultimately is, with a crystal clear quality. Incidentally, the American Airlines logo was uploaded to Wikipedia under a fair use exemption, which is step #2 I described above. Regards, Spintendo23:02, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
@Spintendo: Here is the logo file in 300 x 46, does that work?
@Hello-Mary-H: The file looks good, however, the license uploaded with this file is incorrect. That license is currently stating that the logo is your own work, which it isn't. By "own work" what it means is the development of the logo, which invariably took place at Hormel years ago, and did not involve yourself. The license which should be used is a fair use exemption. To upload the file with the correct license, follow the steps below:
The system will ask if the image is copyrighted, if you own the copyright for the file, and if it is a logo. Choose copyrighted, and select the choice that states you do not own the copyright, and that yes, it is a logo.
One the file has been uploaded, you'll need to edit the file's page, and make sure that the following is entered in the categories exactly as worded here (excluding the bolded headings which should already be placed there):[a]
Purpose: The image is placed in the infobox at the top of the article discussing Hormel, a subject of public interest. The significance of the logo is to help the reader identify the organization, assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the organization, and illustrate the organization's intended branding message in a way that words alone could not convey.
Minimality This is an SVGvector image of a registered trademark or a copyright-protected logo, seal or computer icon. This image should not be rendered any larger than is required for the purposes of identification and/or critical commentary. The default rendering of this image is of a size and resolution sufficient to maintain the quality intended by the company or organization, without being unnecessarily high resolution.
Commercial: This image does not limit the copyright holder's ability to profit from the original source, nor will it dilute the importance or recognition of the logo in connection with its organization.
Replaceability: Because it is a non-free logo, there is almost certainly no free representation. Any substitute that is not a derivative work would fail to convey the meaning intended, would tarnish or misrepresent its image, or would fail its purpose of identification or commentary.
Make sure you choose "preview" to ensure that you are entering the information on the correct lines.
Save the file.
Because it's not going to be used, the logo uploaded to Commons needs to be nominated for deletion. To do this, nominate the file directly by going to the media description page for that file and clicking on Nominate for deletion in the Tools menu on the left.
Return to this talk page with the new file name that you just uploaded here on Wikipedia so that I can add it to the article.
^Make sure that when you edit the newly uploaded image's file, whatever text is already entered under the categories listed here should be replaced with the text as I've outlined it.
@Hello-Mary-H:I've added the image, but I've noticed that the file's whitespace on either side of the logo is very wide. As you can see in the pic of the file above, there is a lot of white space on either side of the logo, such that the box surrounding it is a long rectange. I had to use {{CSS image crop}} markup in order to get it to fit right in the infobox. It's not really a pressing issue, just more of an annoyance — but you might want to fix that at some time in the future. You just need to click "Upload a new version" on the file's page. Usually the svg format eliminates all of the whitespace around a logo, so I'm not sure what happened here. Also remember to nominate the Commons version of this logo for deletion. thanks Spintendo22:03, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
@Spintendo: Thanks again. I'll see if I can get a fixed logo. I agree that the current version is off/annoying. The Commons version has already been deleted. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:19, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
@Spintendo: I uploaded a new file however it looked warped and way off, not a good replacement for the current version. So I am not sure how to remedy. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:59, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, I uploaded a new file however it looked warped and way off, not a good replacement for the current version. So I am not sure how to remedy. Is it possible that the container being used makes the visual not work correctly? Any help appreciated. Thank you.
This other file looks like its been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, where it should not be. Any replacement file should be added to the original file location as an update. On the file's page, underneath File history is a link that says "Upload a new version of this file". That is what you would select to upload a newer version. However, as you're encountering difficulties editing the base image itself, it would probably be best to just leave the file as is. If you upload a newer version it will replace the version we already have, and if the newer version is no better or contains errors, that version will have to be deleted. Until you are able to perfect the image itself, I would hold off on uploading additional versions.
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Hello, wondering if the image currently on the page labeled Strike at Hormel Packing Plant, Austin, 1933 is appropriate for fair-use and free usage on Wikipedia. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:46, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, for the infobox I would like to suggest some possible changes, based on the statement that “As of July 28, 2019, the Company had approximately 18,700 employees worldwide” from a 10-K annual report SEC filing by Hormel. Thank you.
Suggested new link:
Delete:
Number of employees 20,000 (2018)[3]
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Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Can we please delete:
The line was developed in concert with three parties, as "Hormel brought food formulation, packaging and shelf stability knowledge, (chef de cuisine) Ron DeSantis brought taste and texture expertise, and the Cancer Nutrition Consortium offered the nutritional framework."[45]
Add suggested text: The line was developed in concert with three parties, as "Hormel brought food formulation, packaging and shelf stability knowledge, (chef de cuisine) Ron DeSantis brought taste and texture expertise, and the Cancer Nutrition Consortium offered the nutritional framework"[45]
with input from nutritionists Dr. Stacey Bell and Kathy McManus.
The problem with this claim is that while the Weintraub Boston Globe source does mention Bell and MaManus as being part of the Cancer Nutrition Consortium (CNC)'s board, that same source does not say that those two members of the board are the ones who provided input on CNC's nutritional framework delivered to Hormel for the development of the Hormel products. The Chicago Tribune source currently used in the article likewise doesn't state their involvement. Dr. Bell's info page at CNC does not mention her work with Hormel. To suppose that these two individuals had involvement merely because they were members of CNC's board would constitute WP:SYNTH. What we need is a company provided source which clearly states that they provided a "nutritional framework" for these products. Regards, Spintendo23:18, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
HI Mary, I can add a redlink, but I'm not sure that CNC would meet WP:ORGCRITE based on the material supplied here. More material meeting those requirements would have to be found for the article to be created. Regards, Spintendo04:53, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Note I have included new company sources that hopefully show nutritional expertise.
Edit request
Can we please delete:
The line was developed in concert with three parties, as "Hormel brought food formulation, packaging and shelf stability knowledge, (chef de cuisine) Ron DeSantis brought taste and texture expertise, and the Cancer Nutrition Consortium offered the nutritional framework."[45]
Add suggested text: The line was developed in concert with three parties, as "Hormel brought food formulation, packaging and shelf stability knowledge, (chef de cuisine) Ron DeSantis brought taste and texture expertise, and the Cancer Nutrition Consortium offered the nutritional framework"[45] with input from nutritionists Dr. Stacey Bell and Kathy McManus.
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Can we please add:
In June 2019, the company announced the product launch of a vegan pizza topping for foodservice customers and in September 2019, launched a vegan, soy-based, non-GMO ground meat substitute called Happy Little Plants for foodservice and retail customers.
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Can we please add:
In April 2019, together with Harvard University Dining Services, the company hosted the first ever Small Change Big Impact Food Summit at Harvard University, where ideas were offered to improve the future of food.
N Regarding the Cancer Nutrition Consortium information, I'll reiterate my original objections to adding these two names to the article. The Weintraub Boston Globe source does mention Bell and MaManus as being part of the Cancer Nutrition Consortium (CNC)'s board, but that same source does not state that those two members of the board are the ones who provided input on CNC's nutritional framework delivered to Hormel for the development of the Hormel products. The Chicago Tribune source currently used in the article likewise doesn't state their involvement. Dr. Bell's info page at CNC does not mention her work with Hormel. The Cision source mentions Kathy McManus, but does not state her involvement in the development of these products. To suppose that these two individuals had involvement merely because they were members of CNC's board would constitute WP:SYNTH. What we need is a company provided source which clearly states that they provided a "nutritional framework" for these products.
N The second request is not referenced by reliable, independent secondary sources.
Y The third request was added to the article, as it was referenced by the Boston Globe.
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Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Can we please add:
In June 2019, the company announced the product launch of a vegan pizza topping for foodservice customers and in September 2019, launched a vegan, soy-based, non-GMO ground meat substitute called Happy Little Plants for foodservice and retail customers.
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Daily Mail and other sources are not considered reliable for use on Wikipedia. Please also avoid citing trade publications and articles based on company press releases. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:30, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I agree with Anachronist. The only two independent reliable sources are CBS News and CNBC, but in this case they would both be considered as company-related, as the CBS News source is based on a Hormel press release while CNBC is an interview with the CEO. The article's percentage of sources originating from Hormel (calculated under the To-do list shown at the top of this talk page) currently hovers at just under 40% (with the number of ref tags linked to Hormel at 42%). Using these two sources would not improve those figures. Regards, Spintendo01:44, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
That said, I do think that it's worthwhile to mention (briefly) Hormel's foray into vegan food products, but only if this are given coverage that is clearly independent. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Can we please add:
In September 2019, the company launched a vegan, soy-based, non-GMO ground meat substitute called Happy Little Plants for foodservice and retail customers.[1][2]
^Yaffe-Bellany, David (14 October 2019). "The New Makers of Plant-Based Meat? Big Meat Companies". New York Times. Retrieved 5 November 2019. Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods, scrappy start-ups that share a penchant for superlatives and a commitment to protecting the environment, have dominated the relatively new market for vegetarian food that looks and tastes like meat. But with plant-based burgers, sausages and chicken increasingly popular and available in fast-food restaurants and grocery stores across the United States, a new group of companies has started making meatless meat: the food conglomerates and meat producers that Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods originally set out to disrupt. In recent months, major food companies like Tyson, Smithfield, Perdue, Hormel and Nestlé have rolled out their own meat alternatives, filling supermarket shelves with plant-based burgers, meatballs and chicken nuggets.
^Greenfield, Beth (30 October 2019). "Burger wars heat up as plant-based meat faces backlash". Yahoo. Retrieved 5 November 2019. Anyone who food shops or eats out, even occasionally, has likely noticed the influx of plant-based meat alternatives on the market — from Burger King's Impossible Whopper and Dunkin' Donuts' Beyond Sausage Sandwich to the vast array of vegan meat imitators, with products by Gardein, Tofurkey, Field Roast and more filling supermarket aisles across the country….And several actual meat companies — Tyson, Hormel, Smithfield and Perdue — have now rolled out their own plant-based alternatives.
Reply 5-NOV-2019
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The claim from the New York Times may be used, but only saying that Hormel introduced a vegetarian meat alternative product, as that is what the only line mentioning Hormel says. The claims that it is GMO-free and soy based are not found within the NYTimes piece. Yahoo is not an acceptable reference.
Hello, looking to update article. Thank you. Suggested new info:
Add: Hormel acquired the nut butter producer Justin's for reportedly $286M on May 18, 2016.[1]
^"Hormel Foods acquires Justins". Retrieved November 26, 2019. Overview: Acquired Organization: Justin's. Justin's produces the most delicious nut butters, nut butter snacks and organic peanut butter cups. Acquiring Organization: Hormel Foods. Hormel Foods is a Fortune 500, multinational manufacturer and marketer of consumer-branded food and meat products. Announced Date: May 18, 2016. Acquisition Type: Acquisition. Price $286M. Acquisition Status: Complete.
Hi Mary, the reference that you're proposing to use here is Crunchbase, but the use of that site as a source in articles is deprecated, owing to this RfC held in February of this year. Do you have any other sources that may be used? Please advise. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo19:11, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, looking to update article. Thank you. Suggested new info:
Add: Hormel acquired the nut butter producer Justin’s for 280M on May 26, 2016.[1][2]
^"ANNUAL REPORT ON FORM 10-K". SEC (U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission). Retrieved November 26, 2019. On May 26, 2016, the Company acquired Justin's, LLC (Justin's) of Boulder, Colorado, for a purchase price of $280.9 million. The transaction provides a cash flow benefit resulting from the amortization of the tax basis of assets, the net present value of which is approximately $70.0 million. The purchase price was funded by the Company with cash on hand and by utilizing short-term financing. This acquisition allowed the Company to enhance its presence in the specialty natural and organic nut butter category.
^"Hormel, maker of Skippy, acquires Boulder nut-butter maker Justin's". MediaNews Group Inc. Retrieved November 26, 2019. Hormel Foods Corp., the Austin, Minn.-based maker of Skippy and Spam, has acquired Boulder-based nut butter company Justin's…. Justin's will continue operating in Boulder as a subsidiary of Hormel, said Justin Gold, the namesake and founder of the maker of nut butter spreads and squeeze packs, and chocolate peanut butter cups.
^"Where are they now". Enterprise Pub. Retrieved December 26, 2019. She took a job at Hormel Foods Corporation right out of college. Hormel Foods has about 20,000 employees worldwide. The company's headquarters is in Austin, Minn.
This is an odd source to use for that figure. Even though it's a news publication, the story is not about Hormel's employees — but rather — one employee. Aren't there company related sources we can use? If you're wary of adding another company source to an article that is already top heavy with them, it wouldn't make a difference because that source would replace the one being used now. Please advise. Also remember to sign all talk page posts using four tildes. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo20:39, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Earlier you had stated that Net Sales was to be placed under the |revenue= parameter. Now you've asked for a net sales figure to be placed under net income. Please clarify. Regards, Spintendo23:36, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
@Spintendo: does it make sense to just remove the net income parameter with that in mind? Thank you. Also, when looking at both the Campbell Soup Company and Smithfield Foods pages for reference, it shows these parameters: revenue, operating income, net income, total assets and total equity. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:52, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
^"Now coming to food trucks: high end Spam". Quartz. April 22, 2015. Retrieved December 29, 2019. Spam was born. The catchy name for the amalgam of pork, salt, water, potato starch, sugar and sodium nitrite was registered as a trademark in 1937, and an all-out marketing campaign soon followed. Teams of young sales executives dubbed "Spam Crews" and a 60-member female performing troupe called "The Hormel Girls" extolled the product all over the country. George Burns and Gracie Allen promoted Spam on their radio show. By 1940, it was eaten in 70% of America's urban homes.
^Burckhardt, Ann (2004). A Cook’s Tour of Minnesota. 1940 Spammy the pig, SPAM's mascot, appears with George Burns and Gracie Allen on their hit radio show.
Mary, if you take a look at this edit request (also shown in this diff) from December 14, 2018, you'll see that it was you yourself who requested that the reference in question be added to the Burns and Allen claim in the article. This page from the reference in question shows that it verifies the claim made in the article. Please clarify why you'd like this reference replaced. Spintendo19:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
It was actually a {{page needed}} inline template, which I've since removed because the reference is a digital copy without any page numbers. The source otherwise does not need to be replaced. Regards, Spintendo19:42, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
@Spintendo: Thank you. It looks like the claim is only sourced for the years of 2013 through 2018. So I was providing the 2019 information link. If it was not needed, please advise. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:54, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Done My apologies, but it wasn't clear that the URL was all that was needed to be added in the initial request. I've since added the link to the references. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo02:31, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
@Spintendo: Thanks! For future requests, I will be sure to clarify when I am providing an updated link vs. making a request for new text, so that it is not confusing. Regards, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:05, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
N The net sales could not be updated, because no such parameter exists within the {{infobox company}} template. Please note that this template features only 6 financial indicator parameters and their related year parameters:
|revenue=
|operating_income=
|net_income=
|aum=
|assets=
|equity=
Usually, net sales are indicated through the |revenue= parameter. However, in this case the old figure to be deleted was described as 9.55 billion, while the revenue parameter is not currently used in the article. Please advise.
I've omitted the figure until an accurate one can be found and proposed here on the talk page. The figures listed in the source require the previous years figures in order to extrapolate a definite number, because they apparently only show increase or decrease amounts from the previous year, which we don't have. Even though combining the two sources to extrapolate a figure would be allowed under WP:CALC, it would be easier if we just had the updated figures in one source. Thank you!
There is still the question of where this information is to be placed, as there is no "sales" parameter in the infobox. Regards, Spintendo01:21, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
@Spintendo:I would suggest revenue since revenue refers to the money a company earns in the normal course of business. ... In accounting, "sales" means the same thing as revenue – and "sales" makes the concept even clearer. Would that possibly work? Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:57, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, wondering if you can help me figure out if there is a broken link for Stagg Chili in the info box? Did a Stagg Chili WP page used to exist? Thank you.
It looks like the Stagg Chili page existed until March 2017, when at that time it was redirected to the Hormel page. No reason appears to have been given for the redirect. A standing request to merge the article with Hormel had been in place since February 2017, although I can find no evidence that a discussion took place. At the time of its redirect, the Stagg Chili article appears to have been a poorly-sourced stub. Regards, Spintendo03:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, wondering if we can update the article with this info. Thank you. Suggested new info:
Add: Can we possibly add back in operating income and net income? Operating income is $1.20 billion per this financial filing press release and net income is 979M per Market Watch. Please advise and thank you.
Y The |operating income= parameter was added to the infobox.
N The |net income= parameter could not be added, because the source indicated a net sales figure. Although some companies make a comparison between net income and net sales, others do not. Please provide a source which unequivocally states the net income as "net income".
Hi Mary! If I understand you correctly, you'd like to re-create the article on Stagg Chili. Depending on the reason why the page was deleted, there are several ways you can try to have it undeleted:
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Done. Thank you for the request -- the old reference was improper as it was not about that particular acquisition, but a different one entirely. The new reference you gave covers this properly. –Erakura(talk)04:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, wondering if we can update the article in two places so that the source for each one is independent. Thank you. Suggested new info:
Add: Key People James Snee[2](Chairman, President, CEO)
^Albala, Ken; Allen, Gary (October 30, 2007). The Business of Food. Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood. p. 307. ISBN978-0313337253. Earl B. Olson launched Farmer's Produce Company in Minnesota in 1949. It operated a small creamery and raised turkeys on the side. In 1953, the company named its eviscerated turkey the "Jennie-O," after Earl and Dorothy Olson's daughter, Jennifer. In 1971, the company changed its name to Jennie-O Foods and began expanding its operations and product line. Jennie-O in 1986 became part of Hormel Foods Corporation, which also acquired the Turkey Store in 2001. Hormel changed the name for the two brands to the Jennie-O Turkey Store, which is now America's largest turkey producer.
Done. I replaced the existing citations with this new one. We don't like identical citations appearing twice, so although it is cited twice, it appears once in the reference list. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:00, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, wondering if we can update the article so that the source is independent of Hormel. Thank you. Suggested new info:
Add: That same year, Hormel Foods acquired The Turkey Store, the business was combined with Jennie-O Foods to form Jennie-O Turkey Store.[1]
References
^Albala, Ken; Allen, Gary (October 30, 2007). The Business of Food. Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood. p. 307. ISBN978-0313337253. Earl B. Olson launched Farmer's Produce Company in Minnesota in 1949. It operated a small creamery and raised turkeys on the side. In 1953, the company named its eviscerated turkey the "Jennie-O," after Earl and Dorothy Olson's daughter, Jennifer. In 1971, the company changed its name to Jennie-O Foods and began expanding its operations and product line. Jennie-O in 1986 became part of Hormel Foods Corporation, which also acquired the Turkey Store in 2001. Hormel changed the name for the two brands to the Jennie-O Turkey Store, which is now America's largest turkey producer.
Hello, wondering if we can update the article so that the source is independent. Thank you. Suggested new info:
Add: Leadership timeline Jeff Ettinger 2006-2016[1]
References
^Strauss, Lawrence (August 25, 2012). "CEO Spotlight: Spam's Biggest Fan". Barron’s. Dow Jones & Co. Retrieved March 12, 2020. CEO Jeffrey Ettinger is already at his desk, orchestrating Hormel's rapid growth and plotting new ways to make the world love Spam…. Since becoming boss in 2006, the 53-year-old CEO has emphasized not just meat classics like ham, turkey, sausages, and bacon, but also faster-growing Mexican foods, such as burritos and guacamole, and higher-margin products such as microwaveable meals.
Hello, wondering if we can update the article so that the source is independent. Thank you. Suggested new info:
Add: Leadership timeline Jeff Ettinger 2006-2016[1]
References
^Strauss, Lawrence (August 25, 2012). "CEO Spotlight: Spam's Biggest Fan". Barron’s. Dow Jones & Co. Retrieved March 12, 2020. CEO Jeffrey Ettinger is already at his desk, orchestrating Hormel's rapid growth and plotting new ways to make the world love Spam…. Since becoming boss in 2006, the 53-year-old CEO has emphasized not just meat classics like ham, turkey, sausages, and bacon, but also faster-growing Mexican foods, such as burritos and guacamole, and higher-margin products such as microwaveable meals.
Hello, wondering if we can update the article so that the source is independent. Reformatting the request. Thank you. Suggested new info:
Add: That same year, Hormel Foods acquired The Turkey Store, the business was combined with Jennie-O Foods to form Jennie-O Turkey Store.[1]
References
^Albala, Ken; Allen, Gary (October 30, 2007). The Business of Food. Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood. p. 307. ISBN978-0313337253. Earl B. Olson launched Farmer's Produce Company in Minnesota in 1949. It operated a small creamery and raised turkeys on the side. In 1953, the company named its eviscerated turkey the "Jennie-O," after Earl and Dorothy Olson's daughter, Jennifer. In 1971, the company changed its name to Jennie-O Foods and began expanding its operations and product line. Jennie-O in 1986 became part of Hormel Foods Corporation, which also acquired the Turkey Store in 2001. Hormel changed the name for the two brands to the Jennie-O Turkey Store, which is now America's largest turkey producer.
Unless there is something wrong with the references currently used (such as they do not corroborate the information) I'm not inclined to replace them. Regards, Spintendo13:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
@Spintendo: I provided updated sources because they are from news outlets that are not perceived to be affiliated with the company. Which may hopefully improve the article. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:42, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Using secondary sources is something which I would usually prefer as well, especially in an article such as this one which is already top-heavy in sources related to the company. However, in this case the information that is being referenced is/are merely dates of employment and/or the date of an acquisition. In those cases, I would think that there would be no better source than the company itself (or a primary source dated closer to the event) as (a) the company is the final word on when an employee of theirs worked and (b) the date of when they acquired another company was certainly acquired by Mr Albala from the company itself (or other primary sources available to that author, which are likely no more accurate than the source already used here). There are many other claims in this article which would be better serviced through replacement with secondary sources, than are the ones that are simply referencing a CEO timeline. Unless the company is trying to hide employment dates (which is not the case here) the company is really the best source to use for these types of things. My question to Mary would be, are any of the dates being used here in this timeline under question? Please advise, thanks! Regards, Spintendo19:41, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
I would add that the Simply Wall St reference, as a publication which markets itself as "being open to new contributors" and "providing you with high quality financial data and analysis presented in a beautiful visual way everybody can understand, at a fraction of the cost" leaves a lot to be desired, and should not be seen as some kind of improved alternative to the company itself just sourcing this information. Regards, Spintendo21:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you @Spintendo: and @Anachronist:. There are no dates that are under question for the timeline. It sounds like you'd prefer to keep the article source list as is. I will keep in mind to not use Simply Wall St again. Thank you and best regards, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, wondering if we can update the article since there is new information that is not properly formatted. Also the source has not been verified and comes from an activist organization instead of a neutral one. Thank you. Suggested new info:
Done, but not for the reason you stated. I have no objection to including that material in a separate section such as "legal issues" or similar, properly cited and formatted, if secondary sources exist. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello, wondering if we can update the article for accuracy. Hormel stopped processing lamb decades ago and currently has one U.S. gyro product under the Fontanini brand. It is a 83% beef, 17% lamb gyro meat product listed on the Hormel Foodservice site:
https://www.hormelfoodservice.com/brand/fontanini/additional-offerings/
Thank you. Suggested new info:
Delete:
Hormel Foods Corporation is an American company founded in 1891 in Austin, Minnesota, by George A. Hormel as George A. Hormel & Company. Originally focusing on the packaging and selling of ham, Spam, sausage and other pork, chicken, beef and lamb products to consumers; by the 1980s, Hormel began offering a wider range of packaged and refrigerated foods.
Add: Hormel Foods Corporation is an American company founded in 1891 in Austin, Minnesota, by George A. Hormel as George A. Hormel & Company. Originally focusing on the packaging and selling of ham, Spam, sausage and other pork, chicken, and beef products to consumers; by the 1980s, Hormel Foods was a well established global branded food company producing food products including SPAM, Skippy Peanut Butter Skippy, Justin's, and Applegate.
Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Not done. You have reported that Hormel still sells a gyro product including lamb, so there is no need to remove lamb. As for "well established global branded", that is marketing puffery that belongs on the Hormel website, not in a neutral encyclopedia article. Cullen328Let's discuss it23:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello-Mary-H, please explain why you think that it is necessary to emphasize that the company now sells only one item containing lamb? Is that something discussed in independent reliable sources? I fail to see how that 2017 reprint of a Hormel press release is relevant to this issue in any way. Cullen328Let's discuss it05:14, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Edit request implemented Spintendo 15:01, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Please use WP:FFD
Edit request implemented Spintendo 05:07, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Regarding the Cancer Nutrition Consortium information, I'll reiterate my original objections to adding these two names to the article. The Weintraub Boston Globe source does mention Bell and MaManus as being part of the Cancer Nutrition Consortium (CNC)'s board, but that same source does not state that those two members of the board are the ones who provided input on CNC's nutritional framework delivered to Hormel for the development of the Hormel products. The Chicago Tribune source currently used in the article likewise doesn't state their involvement. Dr. Bell's info page at CNC does not mention her work with Hormel. The Cision source mentions Kathy McManus, but does not state her involvement in the development of these products. To suppose that these two individuals had involvement merely because they were members of CNC's board would constitute WP:SYNTH. What we need is a company provided source which clearly states that they provided a "nutritional framework" for these products.
The third request was added to the article, as it was referenced by the Boston Globe.
Done Regards, Spintendo 00:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Done Spintendo 19:25, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Already done
Done My apologies, but it wasn't clear that the URL was all that was needed to be added in the initial request. I've since added the link to the references. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo 02:31, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Spintendo 00:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Not done. You have reported that Hormel still sells a gyro product including lamb, so there is no need to remove lamb. As for "well established global branded", that is marketing puffery that belongs on the Hormel website, not in a neutral encyclopedia article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
