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Name of article

Shouldn't this article be at Hong Kong Federation of Trade Unions, the bolded name of the organisation (now a redirect)? That would also serve the purpose of avoiding confusion with the general concept of trade union federations. Similarily, Confederation of Trade Unions should probably be moved to Hong Kong Confederation of Trade Unions. / Alarm 13:42, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Umm.. It's a choice between the full name and the common name.. :-D — Insta ntnood 17:24, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Ideology

The source listed claiming the organization is conservative/pro-business checks out, but I found another source^[1] claiming almost the opposite (that the organization is more left-wing or socialist-esque). What should be done? HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 11:56, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The policy-section kinda backs a more left-wing position. However it is completely possible they might be socially conservative and economically socialist or social democratic! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 12:08, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I originally thought, then I looked up the first source, and saw the claim that the organization was pro-business, which at least in my mind, tends to rule out left-leaning positions. You rarely see even social-democratic parties described as pro-business unless they espouse more Third Way policies. The sources seem to be at-odds with one another. The only thing I can think of as to why this is may be that since the leftist organization is pro-Beijing, that makes it conservative by HK standards? Or maybe they're just pragmatic and switch positions? Not sure though. HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 13:38, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it would be better to avoid bias and use an actual statement by the organisation. Too often westerners have wild ideas about what things are like in China, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.3.222.23 (talk) 23:53, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Tsui, Anna P.Y.; Lai, K.T. (2009). "Professional Practices of Human Resource Management in Hong Kong". Hong Kong University Press. p. 203. ISBN 9789622090606.

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Socialism sidebar

@Guotaian and Yue: The FTU was referred to as "pro-business and politically conservative" by Sprague 2015. The FTU is not a common socialist organization. Therefore, I think it's a very unnecessary sidebar to use in articles. ProKMT (talk) 06:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FTU is overwhelmingly described by sources (eg. Leong 2009, Lo 2010, Radio France Internationale, Sing Tao Daily , 雄學琛...) as being left-wing and socialist and has been since its inception. The party was "Inspired by the Cultural Revolution, the HKFTU escalated labour disputes into the 1967 riots against British colonial rule." Up to today, it continues to advocate for "the rights and welfare of workers, supporting workers in their negotiations with employers and helping them resolve labour disputes" and "has a pro-grassroots stance on livelihood and labour issues, such as demanding more measures to reduce unemployment." Additionally, " HKFTU also operates five retail outlets which provide discounted goods and services to its members. Businesses include catering, credit card facilities, medical services, and travel agencies."

There is only one source that mentions the FTU as pro-business. Even in that source, the only justification for the "pro-business" label is that it "has ties to China's official All-China Federation of Trade Unions (ACFTU)", which is certainly not " pro-business and politically conservative". The source is conflating the the definition of politically conservative in western countries with those of Hong Kong as in western countries, politically conservative means pro-business (and capitalistic). However, Hong Kong style conservatism means supporting the "establishment" such as the chinese central government. Conservatives in Hong Kong are therefore a big-tent and vary on economic stances. Guotaian (talk) 08:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Tsui, Anna P.Y.; Lai, K.T. (2009). "Professional Practices of Human Resource Management in Hong Kong". Hong Kong University Press. p. 203. ISBN 9789622090606.

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