Talk:Hong Kong/Infobox

Nominal and PPP GDP figures

I am reverting the changes Instantnood made to the Infobox. The information about the GDP is poorly formatted, and non-standard for all country infoboxes. Please see the infoboxes of other featured article countries, such as South Africa and Cambodia. - PZFUN 19:22, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

I don't quite understand why information in total and per capita GDP, calcuated from PPP and nominal respectively, is not useful and is poorly formatted. The figure of PPP and nominal can differ greatly. — Instantnood 19:52, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Because most economists don't even use PPP as any kind of standard because it doesn't really mean anything and gives wildly divergant numbers. The infobox is just for the most basic of information, its not necessary to include everything, and it shouldn't be included. Páll 19:55, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The nominal figures is calculated based on exchange rates. Exchange rates go up and down. Neither PPP nor nominal value is good enough for comparison, and neither alone is the "most basic of information". In social sciences both figures are useful. The PPP figure gives at least some clue about the standard of living in a certain country or territory. It is particularly necessary for countries which currencies are significantly over or undervalued. Afterall Wikipedia is not only for economists. — Instantnood 05:28, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

National motto

Why are we revert warring over this unused field? SchmuckyTheCat 09:17, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

It is taken from the standard template. All country infoboxes have this field, no matter they have the national motto or not. If you'd like to remove it from countries with no national motto, you may need to go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries. — Instantnood 09:44, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

• Or we could just, you know, not use that part of it. It's not a technical template, it's a copy/paste template to the hk specific template. Wasn't it you who had no problem adding GDP info? So why such a fuss about removal of something unused? SchmuckyTheCat 15:36, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

  It was the PPP figures being removed during the discussion above, leaving the nominal figures. Nominal figures were later replaced by PPP figures after the discussion above had ended. — Instantnood 18:49, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

• I really don't care how or why they are there. What I am pointing out is that it isn't in the standard template but added here, but when something is removed, you threw a fit and said "but this is from the standard template." This being pots and kettles are cousins of things that are black. SchmuckyTheCat 01:54, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

  We'd better double check which is from the standard template.. PPP or nominal figures. — Instantnood 08:18, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Picture

I am sorry I wanted to add a picture but messed up the formatting. Can someone fix it please? —This unsigned comment was added by Tempuser007 (talk • contribs) 19:06, March 12, 2006 (UTC).

Pictures do not belong to the infobox. — Instantnood 17:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Putonghua

Re: [1] - Putonghua is the name used in English. It's like, the French words Côte d'Ivoire is the English name of the state in West Africa. — Instantnood 17:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

No, Nood and Côte d'Ivoire is an irrelevant parallel. Putonghua is just pinyin without the tone markers. It's used from time to time in literature, but seldom in book titles and it's always explained in one way or another, but it's very common to call it "Standard Chinese" or "Standard Mandarin". And our article is named "Standard Mandarin" and that settles it. Take the matter at Talk:Standard Mandarin if you have a problem with it, but stop reverting here. There's still also the minor problem of POV by using Putonghua, even if Hong Kong belongs to the PRC.

Peter ^Isotalo 08:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Putonghua is its English name here in Hong Kong, although it's at the same time Pinyin without the tone marks. In an infobox the local name should be used, and the link already tells the title of its article on Wikipedia. — Instantnood 20:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

The local name of a language should not be used. The article is written for all English-language speakers, not just the tiny minority of English-speakers that live in Hong Kong, or for that matter, to satisfy your own POV.

Peter ^Isotalo 15:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

The local English name of where the infobox belongs should be used instead. The pipe link already give readers necessary additional information. — Instantnood 06:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Why are you putting forth so much effort and argument about content that is not now, and will never be again, part of an actual article? SchmuckyTheCat 07:33, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

'Cos it affects how the information is presented, no matter through a template or in the article itself. — Instantnood 20:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Head of the Region

Re: [2] - Simply telling the name of the title of the position is meaningless, especially for such title as Chief Executive. People with elementary understanding with political science may be able to tell a president is both the head of state and head of government when there's no prime minister (or premier), and when there're both, the president is the head of state whereas the prime minister is the head of government. But that's not the case for "Chief Executive". Few can tell what it is without being told. The CE of Hong Kong performs almost all the functions of head of state. She/he appoints/nominates judges of the judiciary, for instance. The only difference is that Hong Kong is not a sovereign state, and the CE has limited diplomatic responsibilities (but she/he does have some, e.g. [3], [4]). — Instantnood 17:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

• "Few can tell..." What? There is a wikilink there to Chief Executive of Hong Kong. SchmuckyTheCat 21:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

  The infobox should tell whether the position is both heads, or which of the positions is which of the two heads. — Instantnood 20:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Chang-eng-bunker-PD.gif

The point is moot as this template is going to be deleted, but the linking is inaccurate, pov, and misleading. It has been discussed to death at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries (refer to the archives) on how trying to categorize certain positions into clear cut prime minister-monarch heads of government and state is impossible for certain positions. In this case, it is less impossible: the Chief Executive is not head of state because Hong Kong is not a state.--Jiang 21:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind if the link is kept or not. Nevertheless the Chief Executive is performing those functions, and is constitutionally stated to be the head of the region as well as the head of the government (the executive branch). The point is not moot since the infobox still exists, although at a different place. I'm interested to read the discussion, and see which and how certain positions can't be clear-cut. Thanks. — Instantnood 20:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)