Talk:Honda racing motorcycles

Move to Honda Grand Prix motorcycles

I removed the {{Proposed deletion}} tag because this page should not be deleted; it should be renamed.

There should exist a page that lists Honda's racing motorcycles. The real problem with Honda RC series is that it is hung up on the initials "RC" and goes down a rabbit hole trying to untangle the hows and whys of Honda's code name system. This page should be moved to Honda Grand Prix motorcycles, which aligns it with {{Honda Grand Prix motorcycles}} and allows it to serve as an adjunct to main article, Honda Racing Corporation. --Dbratland (talk) 19:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Support move Sure, why not. The emphasis on the naming convention in this article is mainly to address the confusion between the use of "RC" on HRC bikes and Honda bikes. If this article were renamed, perhaps people would stop including information about Honda-manufactured race reps, such as the RC51... JZH (talk) 09:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree, it is a good idea. There are three who support it and nobody else has commented in a year, so let's just do it. --Biker Biker (talk) 10:53, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

When the proposal was made, there was virtually nothing in this article other than a list of bikes beginning with RC. Now there is a clear sourced explanation of where RC is applied. There is no confusion, the RC term is used when Honda have created a bike from scratch specifically for homologation purposes. HRC bikes are any Honda bikes which HRC have taken and subsequently modified for racing. Mighty Antar (talk) 11:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Honda (as opposed to HRC) have been using "RC" model number prefixes since the CB750s of the 1970s (RC01), and the latest (as of 2014) Honda production motorcycle to have an RC prefix is the CB650FAE/CBR650FAE (RC83). The Honda RC numbers are already clashing with the HRC numbers (the NC750DE has model number RC71--the same number as the 1958 250cc twin listed in the first line of the table.) Dbratland was right--mixing up the Honda production bikes and the HRC racing bikes simply because they both happen to have "RC" in their model number is not justified. The "RC30", "NC30" and "RC45" terms in popular use refer to their respective Honda model numbers, which come from those bikes' VIN or frame numbers. And before you mention it, "RC51" is a model name, like "Fireblade" or "Super Hawk" and has nothing to do with that bike's model number (which is actually SC45) or its alleged connection with HRC. It is therefore clear that the Honda RC prefix refers to either a racing bike or to the model number of a production bike. There are literally dozens of Honda "RC" bikes to add to this list if it is supposed to refer to Honda production model numbers. Do we really want to include the lowly VT750CD (RC14) and the NSA700A8-9 DN-01 Easy Rider (RC55) on a list including the exotic RC211V? Accordingly, this page, which attempts and fails to address both, should be turned into a list of HRC race bikes only and the "RC series" title dropped as unverifiable. JZH (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Honda production models removed

I have made these changes becuase it makes no sense to include in a list of "RC models" every Honda production bike having an engine size between 650cc and 899cc, merely because it had a model number beginning with "RC" (there is an unrelated reason for this coincidence), so I have pared this page back to what I think is its purpose, which is to provide information about Honda Racing (HRC) race bikes. If there is a pressing need to have a page about the RC30, RC45 and "RC51", then there should be a separate page about the Honda homologation bikes. This should, of course, include those bikes' WSB successor, the CBR1000RR, which is technically an "SC" model, but could also include many other HRC-modified Honda production motorcycles across all of the racing disciplines, from road racing to motocross, and with all different engine sizes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JZH (talk • contribs) 16:53, 16 January 2019 (UTC)