Talk:Holiday Trail of Lights

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Calling this a "Major Cultural" anything is extending the definition of "major" and "culture" quite far. It certainly demonstrates a particular facet of Americana, but does not necessarily illustrate a unique cultural feature distinct from the normal smallish town with a quirky attraction. CVS

What makes this unique is that they have joined their festivals together, the one in Marshall by itself is one of the largest in the country— together the cities coordinated festival is by far the largest in the country. I don't appreciate your elitist tone; large cities are the only producers of culture, it’s the height of arrogance to claim that they do. -JCarriker 16:00, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

The CVS's comment's are factual, except for the "quirky" bit. CVS didn't say what you imply he did and your characterization of CVS's comments take unwarranted offense. This is an encyclopedia, not a Chamber of Commerce. If the claims of being one of the largest and the largest cannot substantiated, they will be removed. --Blainster 18:53, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with your assement of his comments, and I do not care to be threatend; do not threaten me again. His comments are not factual, but based on his own opinion of what culture is. Furthermore he made no allusion to removing anything- this is your invention. There is nowhere in the article that states that together they would be the largest- that opinion is on the talk page. If you want to do research on the "Wonderland of Lights" which is one of the largest light festivals, why don't you do it yourself. You'll likley be more recpetive to your findings than anything I could provide. - JCarriker 21:03, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

It is incumbent on the editors who add information to provide references, particularly in cases regarding priority and primacy. Failing to reference such claims is quite adequate grounds for removal. Notice that I made no pre-emptive change, in order to give time for an editor to provide some evidence. We have to work together to make Wiki a better reference work, and citing sources is an important part of doing that. I don't understand how such an experienced Wikipedian could be so quick to assume bad faith on the part of another editor. Reread what you posted– you have made pejorative comments regarding two editors, neither of whom directed any personal comments to you. Please take another look at Wikipedia:Wikiquette and this quote from WP:RFA: Admins [...] are held to high standards, as they are perceived by some users as the "official face" of Wikipedia. Admins should be courteous, and should exercise good judgment and patience in dealing with others. regards, --Blainster 22:04, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I believe very stongly your interpretation of CVS's comment are in error. Here's why: the words CVS complains about cultural and major never appear in this; they do however appear in the context Marshall, is a major educational and cultural center in Northeast Texas., a sentece of the featured article on the main page for 8-3-2005), Marshall, Texas, a few sentece latter a link to this article is provided. The theme of his post was that the topic of this article was not notable and contesting that Marshall, Texas is not a major anyhting- vandalism that has been contiually reverted throughout today. Furthmore the phrase unique cultural feature distinct from the normal smallish town with a quirky attraction. is clearly opinion, not fact. In the context of his complaints and this phrase I did and continue to find his phrase elitist and arrrogant.

If you had not assumed bad faith about me, and asked politley for sources you'd have them by now. I will admit I assumed bad faith on CVS, and had you pointed that out in good faith may have even revised my comments. However I did not do so with you, the first things I saw were your changes here and post about Natchitoches' pronunciation. You assumed bad faith towards me when you told me Wikipedia is not a Chamber of Commerece, as if I were treating it as such and then by demanding, not asking, that sources be provided and threatening to remove them without when no one had even asked for them before your post. In fact if you had asked politely you would have them by now.

By making a simple post such as: I believe you are mistaken about the intentions of the other editot. BTW could you please provide source for the attribution of one of the largest light festivals in the country, if you can't provide a source I'm afraid I will have to remove the statement. Thanks. -User name here

You would have gotten a response like: Here are some source confirming the claim:

State of Texas and Austin Chronicle Bryan & College Station Eagle]

Post all you want but, I have done nothing wrong and I don't take kindly to being falsely accused; most people do. -JCarriker 23:57, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

There is obviously a lot of emotion behind JCarriker's statements. I assure you that it was not my intent to incite a wiki-riot. I am sure that the "Wonderland of Lights" or the "Holiday Trail of Lights" is quite a spectacle to behold. (Do these two monikers describe the same event? Or is one a subset of the other?) Cheers, CVS (...who certainly did not expect to be such a wiki-troll. Ah, the joy that is wikipedia.)

I apologize CVS, I've been putting up with edits like this one, out of an abusive user for the past month. I guess my nerves are a little raw. Sorry. BTW the Wonderland of Lights is a subset of the Holiday Trail of Lights. Cheers. -JCarriker 16:47, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Natchitoches pronunciation

I changed the pronunciation to agree with the IPA form in the Natchitoches article. There may be a number of accepted variations. When I was there I heard people saying "Nack-a-toosh". --Blainster 19:06, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]