Talk:Hlubi people

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I notice that the Ndebele of Langa are not listed anywhere in contributions covering the AmaHlubi. The Ndebele of Langa presently live in Mapela and Bakenberg, both major settlements around Mokopane in Limpopo Province. Mokopane was previously called Potgietersrus. The history of the Ndebele of Langa is meticulously recorded by A.O. Jackson in his book The Ndebele of Langa. Of note, these Ndebele state that their original king was one Langalibalele and their point of origin as somewhere around the Drakensberg mountains.They also state that they are of Hlubi extraction. Jackson has been able to follow their history from around 1650 to the present day. Up to today, the inkosi in the two areas is still Langa. Surnames that are very common in these areas are: Langa, Mabusela, Lebelo etc. Through the years, the language spoken here, isiNdebele, became watered down by the seSotho language.Today, very few people speak isiNdebele as the language cannot be written or taught in schools. The place Mapela was named after an inkosi who reigned from 1795 - 1825. Bakenberg was named after the son of MasibeIII, who reigned from 1877 - 1890. Jackson's book can be found at the Heritage Museum in Pretoria at cnr of Bosman and Visagie streets. (Mgmnyatlo (talk) 18:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]

One of the most striking things I have come to realise about - amaHlubi, is the national identity crisis. When amongst amaXhosa they would always make sure that amaXhosa are reminded of the fact that they, amaHlubi, have a Zulu heritage. Also because of language, when amongst other indegenous national groups they would identify themselves as being Xhosa. South Africa is a free country and I think that amaHlubi are free to forge their identity as they deem fit just like what other national groups. But I did like to make the following points.

When the amaHlubi were wondering around with no land. The amaXhosa gave them land. They also acquired extra pieces of land that was taken by force by the British establishment in SA. To this they took a solem oath at Pedi in the Eastern Cape that they would only serve Queen Victoria and teach their children according to western norms. The amaHlubi ganged with Britsch against amaXhosa on a number of occassions during wars of resistance. Infact amaHlubi chiefs, the Dlamini's, were given ankle long overcoats by British settlers both as a mark of rewards and also to mark their high rank. This long overcoat is still called Dlamini by Xhosa, i.e, if you wear a long coat in Xhosa we say you are wearing Dlamini. Now one of the most interesting thing is the meeting that was held by amaHlubi in preparations for the Nhlapo commission on traditional leadership. One their resolution was identification of amaHlubi land in Xhosaland. How do they explain this.

Now on the issue of circumsion and the death tall amongst the Xhosa's, it bit unfortunate that one can also pick up the undertones caste mentality that cast amaHlubi's ritual as being superior. As a Xhosa man I know the trught and I think any self respecting Hlubi will also know it - in Xhosa is what we call - xa siya ngamabakala(comparaing aples with aples), who will be the last man standing.

In the Xhosa linguistic cluster there are three major kingdoms, namely that of the Xhosa proper, the Thembu and the Phondo. There are other small groupings such as Baca, Hlubi, Bele, and Zizi. What our country still has to appreciate is that none of the Xhosa cluster kingdoms were ever concured by any indigenoues african entity, none of the Xhosa cluster kingdoms ever sought to subjugate any nation how ever small it was, including the amaHlubi. Now the article mentioned the renown of the amaHlubi and the name of Shake is invoked to sustain this claim. It's fine for amaHlubi if they decide to claim how powerful they once were in the past but my question as a Xhosa is what is meant by that. Does it mean that if amaXhosa were to concur with this claim is it because of fisrt hand expirience from the hand of the Hlubi or is what Xhosa's witness of what the Hlubi did to others. I doubt if that is the case in both cases as sought that our forebeares were never concured nor sought to subjugate others.

What is even more absurd the writer of the article claims that there are 6 kings in the Eastern Cape,( delibaratley distorting histry by claiming as true on what was done by outsiders to dived the Phondo, the Thembu and the Xhosa proper kingdoms). The writer also claims that amaHlubi kingdom is recognided by the Xhosas, of which this kingdom is supposed to include the land that is from the Xhosas. What does this make of the Xhosas - does this mean that they are not able to apply their minds on such important issues.

Xhosas fought nine wars that lasted for hundred years with British in SA. Only for keeping of our independence. Xhosa's know their history well, but has onyone asked the question why aren't they making noises about what they have lost and what they have retained in mainmtaning their dignity.

Myirha - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.34.16.68 (talk) 11:37, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that there are clans omitted from the Xhosa Clan list KLARION (talk) 18:41, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Inquiry about the page

I am interested to know who created this page , as I am one of the Hlubi people. Sphelele Cele (talk) 11:26, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

table cleanup

Hi y'all -- I see that the table in this article is a bit non-standard. I'm going to clean it up but it might take a few iterations before it looks good. Kaylea Champion (talk) 17:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]