Talk:History of education in Wales (1939–present)/GA1

GA Review

Passed. It is a wonderful world (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Llewee (talk · contribs) 14:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 20:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello It is a wonderful world, I was planning to nominate History of education in Wales, the overview article for the four, after these articles had been reviewed. If you want to review the entire set then I could nominate it now. I understand that the four are already a big undertaking and you might prefer to leave it.--Llewee (talk) 22:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Llewee, I have quite a lot of free time over the next few week, so would love to review it.

You could also consider making the lot a good topic, though the criteria for that highly recommends adding a template to link each article together. It is a wonderful world (talk) 10:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thank you. I have now nominated it.--Llewee (talk) 21:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi It is a wonderful world, What do you think of the article now?--Llewee (talk) 14:22, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Llewee, this is an interesting one, because this is one of the first articles I reviewed. Upon rereading with more experience, I feel there is a lot of points I missed which are borderline relevant to the GA criteria. However, since Femke opined that my first review was fine as part of the mentorship program, I think it best that I don't rereview this, but stick to my original points. In that case, this is ready for GA. Passing now.

I may at some point in the future copyedit this for neutrality and conciseness though. It is a wonderful world (talk) 13:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Comments

First sentence in the lead suffers from MOS:REDUNDANCY

I have already described the general grammatical and MoS mistakes in the previous GA reviews on this topic. I fixed invalid uses of semi-colons, spaces around em-dashes etc.

However, very few of the technical schools were opened. They faced various difficulties which were common to both England and Wales: I think a little summary of the difficulties would be appropriate here

Given that very few of these schools existed and the only place where they were properly implemented was Kent in England, I think it's probably enough to just include a link to the relevant article. Secondary Technical school is a fairly detailed albeit not great quality article.--Llewee (talk) 20:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally in Wales, where academic secondary education had been seen as an ideal since the 19th century, there was a particular lack of respect for vocational education: This is the first time vocational education is mentioned, so it lacks context. Was vocational education used by a particular school type, where was vocational education happening?

The technical schools were intended to provide training for practical work.--Llewee (talk) 20:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have clarified "the vocational education technical schools offered".--Llewee (talk) 21:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Aberfan disaster destroyed a village junior school in 1966, killing many children: Many can be replaced with the actual number, 116.

done--Llewee (talk) 20:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They might attend separate infant and junior schools, departments or a combined primary school: I don't think the term primary school should be used here, it seems like it wasn't used at the time, as it isn't used in the source. It also confused me until I read the source, because it's not clear whether the following paragraphs are talking about practices only separate infant and junior schools did, or practices primary schools did too.

The term primary school was introduced in the 1944 education act See. I've clarified "or a primary school that combined the infant and junior phases".--Llewee (talk) 15:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If "infants" is referring to infant schools, and "juniors" to junior schools, that terminology is not clear, is that terminology is common in Wales?

It is term I'm familiar with from my own childhood. I have clarified "infant phase" and "junior phase"

At age 7 children moved into juniors: Only infant school children did this, so perhaps "At age 7, infant school children moved into junior schools" is better?

I think now it's been changed to "junior phase" that probably covers all types.--Llewee (talk) 15:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following paragraph treats infant school -> junior school as the only pathway, did combined primary schools follow the same practices? those that used Welsh as the primary language of instruction in the infants school tended to achieve similar levels of attainment in Welsh by the end of primary school among pupils of all backgrounds: Should it be "infant schools" rather than "infants school"?

Changed to "infant phase" per above--Llewee (talk) 15:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The postwar period saw a rapid expansion of higher education establishments especially in the study of science and technology. This was a result of the Cold War: Surely these effects cannot all be attributed to the aftermath of the Cold War.

This was a result of the Cold War, a desire for Britain to remain a great power after the end of the empire and economic competition from abroad: The sentence structure makes it seem like "a desire for Britain..." is the definition of the Cold War. Rather, the Cold War caused the people of Britain to feel this way.

In answer to this point and the point above, these are intended to be three separate factors which contributed to the expansion.--Llewee (talk) 22:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The last we heard of women's inclusion in universities was in the previous article when they were banned from studying music. When they were included into university courses definitely needs to be added.

There should also be an update into girl's experiences in schools nearer the present day, the final update is that the traditional view of women had an influence on the modern type secondary schools, but this (in my opinion) is far removed from how they are viewed in schools today.

I have added information on this area and the area discussed in the previous point.--Llewee (talk) 21:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are some quotes which require inline references. Hitting CTRL+F and searching the " symbol allows you to check them all quickly

I think I have fixed all instances of this now.--Llewee (talk) 13:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Great range of sources again!

[1]: No problems

[5]: Content seems to be fully supported by pages 154 and 155, not pages 144-154.

Fixed--Llewee (talk) 13:58, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[6]: No problems

[10]: No problems

[15]: No problems

[17]: No problems

[20]: No problems

[26]: No problems

[28]: No problems

[36]: No problems

[46]: Should reference page 368, not 338

also, fixed--Llewee (talk) 14:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[50]: No problems

[53]: Source is in Welsh, so I assume the quotation was originally in Welsh? If so it should follow the guidelines at MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE.

I have taken it out now--Llewee (talk) 13:58, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[63]: No problems

[73]: No problems

[77]: No problems

[78]: No problems

[80]: No problems

[87]: No problems

[90]: No problems

Images

All are appropriately licensed, captions are good and article is well illustrated.

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