Talk:History of Vermont

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I'm sorry folks, but this article is horrendous. I propose a restructure, and am starting a new, temporary, page, Vermont History, which will include all the information currently in the History section of the basic Vermont article, and the current History of Vermont page. I will put statements that can't be easily documented, like the Olaf Tomsson allegation, in an undocumented statesments section, that will not be transferred unless someone can find and provide a quote (I don't believe it and won't pursue trying to document it, but please feel free.)

History of Vermont

Pre-Columbian

European settlement

Colonial history

French and Indian War
Green Mountain Boys
American Revolution

The Vermont Republic

Mail Article: Vermont Republic

Statehood

Early 19th century

Civil War

Main article: Vermont in the Civil War

Later 19th century

Early 20th century

Later 20th century

The new century

Tidbits

Undocumented statements

In 950, the Viking explorer, Olaf Tomsson is alleged to have reached the Northern part of the state, where he settled for several years before leaving because of war with the local Abenaki.

((Documentation and links))

Political History

I don't see where political history goes. I have a sufficient but limited perspective of that, say 1860-1965 or so. There's mainly total nonsense on the Vermont page. Which is all undocumented and unreferenced, apparently the standard for most of the page, but very apparent in that section. Rant. I don't mind trying to sandwich in a little documented piece of history there, but it doesn't seem to fit. I'm not really up to fighting the crazies. I'm just a little amateur historian. Not looking for war.Student7 21:25, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that this article appears to end around 1857, I think you need to create a new section or ten. You could create a new section called "political history", or you could create new sections for major chunks of Vermont history and put the appropriate political information in each section. Whatever you think would make the article better -- it definitely needs a lot of work. Some documented history would be a big improvement. Be Bold!. --Fagles 02:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Footnotes quoting Wikipedia

Not really supposed to be using other articles in Wikipedia for reference. Only as good as our weakest link. We can use their footnotes if they have been vetted first, but can't quote unsupported Wikipedia articles. That would not make sense.Student7 (talk) 21:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On closer inspection, these turned out to be my quotes (blush)! Student7 (talk) 21:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Infrastructure history

This section is weak. I had read "somewhere" that the original settlers, where possible, had tried to elevate roads to protect them from flooding which could block road use during the spring thaw (ice blockages of rivers, e.g.). This was certainly true in the Northeast where roads ran along the western rise of the Barton River Valley. Probably less true in Chittenden, near the Lake and Rutland, etc. where is was flatter.

Elevated roads were discontinued when the train came through - it needed a slower grade. Also, some control over the rivers had been achieved by then. I'd appreciate any help. Student7 (talk) 22:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Colonial history

Some colonial history was very exciting. If you are a Vermonter, you may wish Vermont had participated. It could hardly do so with so few people. Ethan Allen helped out in the Revolutionary War. A few people traversed it during the French and Indian War(s). Pretty much it. We can't "borrow" adjacent territory and pretend it is in Vermont! It isn't and wasn't! Student7 (talk) 22:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statehood and the ante-bellum era

This title is confusing on two levels. 1. "Sstatehood" refers to becoming a country, not moving from territorial status to state of the US. 2. "Antebellum" means "Pre-Civil War" and should say so, directly. However, unless pre-war conditions set up Vermont's participation in the war, it's not a good descriptor. I propose splitting the section into "Sovereignty" and "Statehood." User:HopsonRoad 16:25, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Confusing phrasing

"Five thousand troops were stationed in Burlington at one point, outnumbering residents. About 500 of them died of disease." doesn't make it clear who died. Were they the soldiers or the residents? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historical Cartograph (talk • contribs) 15:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]