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Add

Someone might like to add a sentence or two about this: [1] --zero 06:34, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Go ahead. RickK 06:59, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Page protection

I've protected this because of the reverting between Yuber and John McW over the passage below, which is also being disputed at Syria. Could Yuber say what's wrong with it? Please discuss it on the talk page here or at Talk:Syria, with no more reverting. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 03:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lebanese scholar Habib C. Malik has called the influx of Syrian workers into Lebanon "nothing short of a movement toward Syrian colonization of Lebanon." (Between Damascus and Jerusalem: Lebanon and Middle East Peace (The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, 1997), p. 42). In 1994, under pressure from Syria, the Lebanese government granted citizenship to over 200,000 Syrians resident in the country. Syrian nationals make up at least one-third of Lebanon's resident population. [2]

As neither John nor Yuber has responded, I'm unprotecting. Please don't either of you revert this again. Discuss it here between you on talk, leave the current version as it is, or invite other editors to join the discussion. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 21:42, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

POV quotes don't belong in a history article. Habib C. Malik's quote does not relate to the general History of Syria. Yuber^(talk) 22:43, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Roman province

Why does the Roman province of Syria direct to this page? I'd like to find out what Roman provinces bordered Syria, but instead I get an article about Baath party politics.

French attack

Why did the French attack Syria in 1920? What was their interest in gaining control of the country? -- Beland 00:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just part of the general urge by the British and French to colonize. Gabr-el 21:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The area of modern Syria and Lebanon were within OETA domain, packed with French and British troops. Syria and Lebanon were specifically under French military rule. From 1919, those areas turned a focal point of Arab nationalism, previously boosted by the British. The French in fact faced a rebellion of previous British allies - the Hashemite Arabs supported by local militias, who all strived for immediate independence. Hence with little French forces in Damascus, Faisal was declared a king of Syria, without any French agreement. The French saw it as rebellion, especially when Arab forces started engaging them on all fronts to push out of the country. The French however mobilized greater forces abroad and pacified the area, later assigning an official mandate, which expired only in 1946.GreyShark (dibra) 20:17, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

380 villages destroyed by Ottoman Syrian Druze?

Does amyone know where I could source and list the names of the 380 Ottoman Syrian Christian villages destroyed by Ottoman Syrian Druze and Muslims during the 1860 Lebanon conflict? Thanks! Chesdovi (talk) 09:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SS-ing post-1920 material

The article has been tagged since 2012, and justly so. There is a page called "Modern history of Syria", please use that for post-1920 history. There should only be the briefest summary of that period here, I don't really understand the motivation for the type of content-multiplication that has people writing pages about the Syrian Civil War in four different places.

I changed the toc structure to facilitate the extraction of the post-1920 material, most of it is probably redundant with what is already in the much-better developed and maintained Modern history of Syria page, but I'll wait for some time before reducing it to WP:SS in case somebody wants to salvage some details onto the target page. (but please remember that the page about the Syrian civil war is called Syrian civil war. Significant as it is, it covers 4 out of 3,000 years in the scope of this page [so give it maybe 2 out of 2,000 or so sentences], and 4 out of 100 years in the scope of Modern history of Syria [so give it maybe 1 out of 20 or so sections]). --dab (𒁳) 12:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@ 172.56.191.152 (talk) 11:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

The Ottoman section contained many statements which were against WP:NPOV and WP:RELIABLE. The removed statement was against WP:NEUTRAL, this is because Kurdish expansion happened at the expense is absolutely not neutral and not confirmed by the source which were added (The second source is dead). Also, the first source is not reliable source, read the Assyrian Genocide article, there is reliable sources and the article with its content is against the claim that Kurds were responsible... According to the Assyrian genocide article and its sources, the Kurds were not responsible for most of the atrocities. Source which was used here has been removed from the original Assyrian genocide article and some sources of that article are clearly against this source and its claims.Ferakp (talk) 00:58, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As-Safir

Following statements were removed:

Syriacs began to immigrate from Syria after the Amuda massacre of August 9, 1937. This massacre, carried out by the Kurd Saeed Agha, emptied the city of its Syriac population, and the town became completely Kurdish.^[1]

Reasons:

As Safir is biased and not a reliable source. It is already mentioned in many articles. Blogspot is also not a reliable source.Ferakp (talk) 01:02, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Saqr Abu Fakhr in As-Safir Fakhr Abu Fakhr, Saqr, 2013. As-Safir daily Newspaper, Beirut. in Arabic Christian Decline in the Middle East: A Historical View

Role of Russia in Syrian civil war

I am not a Wikipedian (not up on all the rules, etc.), but those of you who are might want to address the omission of Russia's large military role in supporting the Bashir Assad regime. The current article barely mentions their existence, but a cursory search of news sources (New York Times, Reuters, etc.) would turn up many articles describing Russia's crucial role in keeping Assad in power when he was losing the civil war. In fact, Wikipedia has an article about this topic already, which could profitably be referred to and/or summarized to improve the accuracy of this article: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Russian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war 76.95.246.119 (talk) 04:09, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of events.

"French troops took control of Syria and forced Faisal to flee. Later that year the San Remo conference split up Faisal's kingdom by placing Syria-Lebanon under a French mandate, and Palestine under British control."

The San Remo conference was in April 1920 where the borders of Mandatory Palestine were established. The Battle of Maysalun took place 3 months later in July. At this point the French deposed Faizel.

Faizel's kingdom was not split into Palestine and Syria. Palestine was never under Fazial's rule as it had been placed under the British mandate as the potential homeland for the Jews. Later part of Faizel's Kingdom was added to the British mandate as Trans-Jordan under the Trans-Jordan memorandum. It was not part of the original British mandate and the San Remo conference took place in April 1920. 84.71.227.165 (talk) 12:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)84.71.227.165 (talk) 12:21, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Saqr Abu Fakhr in As-Safir Fakhr Abu Fakhr, Saqr, 2013. As-Safir daily Newspaper, Beirut. in Arabic Christian Decline in the Middle East: A Historical View

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