Talk:Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh

RSS

Fact 1: The RSS is a socio-religious organisations that aims to spread the ideologies of Hindutva. -What is wrong with this statement? It's on the RSS's own website. I'll give you a source URL if you like!

Fact 2: The HSS was involved with subverting £2m of funds from the Gujarat Earthquake appeal into the RSS. I can give you multiple sources, both internet and print + several television documentaries!--Flashback999 17:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

The bit on the RSS is incorrect. I've modified the paragraph to include the correct statistics. --Flashback999 17:28, 26 February 2007

What is going on here. Why not discuss changes instead of deleting facts? What bit on the RSS is incorrect? --Flashback999 10:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources for your claims. --Walrus Ji (talk) 09:06, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Non Verifyable Sources

There is no way to verify the Outlook and The Economist article since they are locked behind paid wall. Please provide alternate source or I will have to remove them. Sjain 05:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

They are accessible to many editors. Scholarly articles saying the same thing are also available, and also behind a paid wall for some people. We don't remove references because some editors can't access them. Hornplease 06:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Can you please provide references to the public articles that you speak of? How do I know you are not just making up stuff? Can you tell me the names of at least other 2-3 editors who can vouch that what you quote is actually in the articles? Also, can you site me the reference to Wikipedia policy which says it is okay to link to non-public sources? Sjain 00:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

What public articles?

And about the 2-3 other editors, I am afraid it isn't my job to go out and find these people. In any case, there are several scholarly articles that say the same thing; search google scholar, even if you dont have access to JSTOR, you'll be able to see snippets.

The appropriate policy is WP:RS. The Economist, for example, is a very reliable source.

About the 'making up stuff' thing, try not to be rude. In any case, we never know who's making stuff up. That's wikipedia for you. Fortunately, someone else who does have access will eventually come along and verify it. It's not like it's an obscure source. Hornplease 05:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hornplease 05:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite

The article beforethe rewrite had no references, therefore it was rewritten and references provided. Please see wp:V for further information. Please use this space to communicate, I'll be watching it. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 02:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Criticism of "Criticism"

The section entitled "Criticism" is not worthy of this institution. Highly pejorative phrases like "sympathizes with Nazi ideology", "strong reference to anti-Semitism", "Hitler youth style camp" are used without any references, and amazingly, without any challenge from anyone! The paragraph is based entirely on the dubious claim that Golwalkar was a neo-Nazi, which has been discredited at length. It should openly state the claim, and link to the rebuttal available on the Internet. Sooku (talk) 22:20, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Koenraad Elst is not a mainstream source, and in addition a web source without editorial oversight would not be acceptable in any case. You may wish to read WP:NPOV and WP:RS. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 13:33, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

References

HSS United Kingdom

The paragraph detailing about HSS in the United Kingdom is not a true insight into what HSS UK is about at all. Fundamentally, HSS UK promotes Dharmic values, which include but aren't limited to: sewa (selfless service), satya (truth), and sanskar (eternal values). It keeps ancient Hindu culture alive, a culture which is heavily suppressed and trampled over in today's day and age.

If you truly look into the work that HSS UK does, you'll see volunteers hiking the Yorkshire 3 peaks, cycling over the country in Cycle4sewa and coming together in order to raise money to build pre-schools for hearing and speech impaired children in India. You'll see HSS (UK) as the '2020 Winner of UK Parliament Week Official Partner of the Year', sharing the value of democracy and our ethos of responsible citizenship.

The core of HSS UK is to create 'Karyakartas' - people who do good work for the 'Samaj' (society), through a base of good Dharmic values. Not to slander Muslims or Christians. Please do some research and correct this page. 88.111.236.239 (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

HSS UK Charity Commission investigation

The section relating to the Charities Commission report is inaccurate. It's wrong to say the charity was cleared of all charges, and wrong to say that the allegations were withdrawn, unless there is further evidence from elsewhere which is not linked. The final report is here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/549675/hindu_swayamsevak_sangh_uk.pdf and the findings were that

"1. There was mismanagement in the management and oversight by the trustees of the charity’s events and the content of the presentations 2. The trustees had failed to comply with their duties and responsibilities as trustees under charity law" (page 4)

It is true that the third finding was that there was insufficient evidence that the anti-Muslim views expressed by a speaker invited by HSS were shared elsewhere in the organisation. It does not say there was no evidence.

It is also true that HSS trustees denied there were any links between RSS and HSS, which seems relevant considering the Wikipedia article explicitly states that HSS international was founded by RSS members.

"During the inquiry the commission used its powers under section 47(2) (a) to direct the speaker to answer certain questions; when asked to comment in respect of what he had said about the relationship between RSS and the charity he said “I acknowledge that perhaps it would have been more accurate to say [that the two organisations are] similar or founded on some common principles”. The inquiry took steps to verify the veracity of this statement. This included seeking a formal response from the trustees in respect of the relationship between the charity and RSS. The commission questioned the trustees on a number of matters on the relationship between the charity and RSS. The trustees’ response was that “HSS neither funds nor is funded by RSS; none of the trustees of HSS are members of RSS and RSS has no control, influence or governance over HSS or HSS over RSS…The two entities are completely separate and independent from one another and are accordingly not inter-dependent”." (page 7 of the report)

The UK Government website which hosts the report carries this message: "This publication was withdrawn on 14 March 2019 This inquiry report has been archived in line with our policy because it’s over 2 years old." Withdrawn in this context simply means that it has been archived. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hindu-swayamsevak-sangh-uk-inquiry-report

The section should be amended.

Hackcyn (talk) 15:38, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the Charity Commission got gaslighted. The so-called "volunteers" are in fact the members of the HSS. They are the organisation. The trustees would be typically figureheads, who wouldn't have much role other than rubber stamping documents and providing political/social connections. The real functionary would be called a "general secretary", whose name is nowhere listed. RSS and its affiliates have a century of experience in flying under the radar. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:24, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Dattatreya Hosabale, the current general secretary of the RSS, has in his CV that he had "mentored" the HSS in the USA and UK.[1]. Here is a picture of the HSS hosting that very man to address a conglomeration of Hindu organisations in the UK. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:46, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Mohan Bhagwat, the current President of the RSS, also has similar statements in his CV.[2] -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)