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Religious observance?

I know of no reason to call Hina Matsuri a religious observance. There is nothing in the article to support that assertion. Either it should be eliminated, or supported in some way. 2400:4070:3445:AF00:2104:7416:7344:7919 (talk) 22:53, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree -- the religious connection is unsourced, and the Japanese wikipedia Hinamatsuri article makes no reference to Shinto in its history or current practice. I've removed references to Shinto in the article. They can be reinserted if suitable references can be identified.—Myasuda (talk) 23:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hinamatsuri have roughly two origins. One is Chinese festival/ceremony (1st of January, 3rd of March, 5th of May, 7th of July, 9th of September are similar Chinese origin ceremony day). The second is Japan origin. It is a kind of Misogi ceremony. Magical festivity. In this day, people flow hina-doll into river, water, to protect little girls, to confirm their health and good luck. Hina-doll is katashiro doll (See the photo of Katashiro doll used in Hinamatsuri). To transfer kegare into hina doll, then flow dolls to river etc. in order to remove effects of wrong spirits etc. that is one type of Harae in Shinto. Hinamatsuri became a play ceremony, decorating beautiful dolls, and girls play in this day. But it has still magical meanings, so it is still a religious observance. See [Kotobank - Hinamatsuri] (in Japanese language). -- Flora fon Esth (talk) 00:36, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I had seen some references to this, but I would argue that this religious connection is largely vestigial. Sort of like Halloween in this respect. Nevertheless, if there's consensus that this is sufficient criteria for calling a festival "religious", then it can be characterized it as such (clarified with context).—Myasuda (talk) 02:41, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]