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Elevation 2,319 m (7,608 ft)

merge with Geography of Himachal Pradesh?

The article Geography of Himachal Pradesh looks small enough. Wouldn't it make sense at this stage to merge it here? – Uanfala (talk) 03:42, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

State stats

@Vibhss:: Himachal is considerably smaller than those states. I didn't see all details except for GDP (total and per capita) being mentioned in any of those state articles. Also, I removed just the values not rankings.

• All the "smaller" state articles do not have these statistics mentioned. Uttarakhand, which is also similarly sized and populated has no stats in the article lede. Probably we should remove these things from this article as well.
• All the states that have GDP and per capita mentioned also have precise values along with it. In my opinion rankings are rather vague if not supported by values. And this seems to be the norm in the articles. We should either keep ranking with values for the stats or remove it altogether.
• No other state but Kerala has literacy rate, HDI mentioned. So I guess this line Himachal Pradesh has the 9th-highest Human Development Index (HDI) and 11th-highest literacy rate among the states and union territories of India. could be removed as well.

I've added GDP and per capita rank values and removed HDI and literacy rate in conformity with all other Indian states articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:25, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Since GDP and per capita GDP have been mentioned in this article's Economy section as well in the same detail as lead section and you've already removed content about HDI and literacy rate from the lead, I think it would be fair enough to remove GDP and per capita GDP as well from the lead section to avoid repetitiveness. Let the mention of all these stats be restricted to their specific sections in the article. Also, "22nd largest state economy" doesn't appear to be something big enough worth mentioning in the lead as well as economy sections. As you said, most of the similarly sized articles don't mention these stats at all in the lead. Even among bigger states, GDP and per capita income have been mentioned for only a few. So, I'm removing GDP and per capita also from the lead of this article. Actually, I had added the stats on HDI and literacy primarily because Himachal happens to be leading hilly state in these parameters. Vibhss (talk) 18:08, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

December 2019

@Uanfala: Hi, regarding this edit of yours. Since most of the state articles have official/additional official languages mentioned in the infobox, for the sake of parity, I believe we should keep it. As for "Spoken languages", will it be that hard to add those in the infobox using "Hlist" or something like that? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:23, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

My removal might have been too bold: I was only objecting to listing Sanskrit and Hindi to the exclusion of the actual native languages. If you would like to list them all, feel free. – Uanfala (talk) 15:32, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

@Uanfala: It would be better IMO to list only the most commonly spoken languages i.e. "Hindi dialects/Pahari languages" like Mandeali, Kangri, Kullu, Bilaspuri using a parm titled something like "Commonly spoken". Or do you want me to list Punjabi, Nepali, Kashmiri, Kinnauri, Tibetan, Lahauli? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Well, that's for you to decide :) You might want to avoid labelling the Pahari languages as "dialects" of "Hindi" (as that wouldn't be true when the usual meanings of those two words are involved, and the infobox doesn't have the space for an explanation of what exactly is meant). And as for which of the other languages to include, it's up to you to decide where the line should be drawn. Languages spoken by larger populations have a stronger claim than ones belonging to smaller communities, and regardless of numbers, indigenous languages (like Kinnauri) have more reason to be included than languages of immigrant groups (like Nepali). – Uanfala (talk) 01:32, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

@Uanfala: Obviously labelling Pahari languages as "dialects of Hindi" would be a counter productive thing to do since Hindi will be mentioned already under Official. I've decided to have a parm called "Native" under which I'm going to mention Mandeali, Kangri, Kullu, Bilaspuri, Kinnauri, Lahauli and Pattani which are native to that region, alongwith the Official and additional official language parms as before. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:20, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Languages

I've removed the pie chart (ping to Nik9hil). Census figures for the Pahari languages here aren't of much use because speakers of one and the same variety will variously identify their language using either the name of that variety, or the broader "Pahari", or sometimes even "Hindi". The census figures are only meaningful for languages that are consistently identified as such by their speakers (like Nepali or Pattani, and for them the figures are already given in the text).

I've expanded the list of languages in the prose. This is largely to account for the number of Pahari language articles recently created (the credits go to Nik9hil for that) – it didn't make much sense to list them before, when they were all redirects. I've followed last year's edition of Ethnologue, but I've omitted the following languages:

• Bauria, Lambadi, Mundari, Pashto, Sansi – not native to the state, spoken by very small communities (if mentioning them, we'd need a better source than Ethnologue);
• Bhadrawahi, Garhwali, Jaunsari, Dogri, Jad, Ladakhi: major languages of neighbouring regions, presumably some of them spoken by established native populations within Himachal. If this circumstance is pointed out, then they may be mentioned;
• Kashmiri and Haryanvi – like above, though these are languages of immigrant communities; better not include them, or otherwise we'd need to list many other languages, like Bhojpuri, which according to the census are spoken by comparable numbers;
• Mugom - subsumed under Tibetan.

I don't see the current version as definitive: for example, I'm not sure if it's good to give the population figures for Kinnauri as I don't know whether or not this includes the other related varieties like Chitkuli Kinnauri. But at least it's a start, and it hopefully doesn't mislead readers. Maybe some day, somebody will create a separate article, there's definitely scope for that. – Uanfala (talk) 13:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

I would like to take the stand that pie chart should be present & would explain you (ping to Uanfala) by giving my explanation. Let me start with the primary concern of yours, i.e. Pahari. This term in the Census 2011 data is majorly used by people of Shimla district (who speak Mahasu Pahari), Hamirpur district (who speak a variety of Kangri, Una district (who speak a variety of Kangri) & some from Solan district (who speak a Bagali, etc). The remainder from this is insignificant & are present in rest of the districts of the state. The actual language names of these remainder speakers are also mentioned in the Census like Kahluri, Kullui, etc. If you wanted I could've included the information of who majorly is constituting 'Pahari' in the Census.

People IN HP DON'T identify their language as HINDI; it is rather the diaspora who wrongly does that. I personally have had a hard time convincing people about the diversity of the languages & educate them on it. The pie chart was a long time personal effort which you have simply removed. Let me tell you more about my research on the Census. Following are the state's Pahari languages that are recorded as dialects of Hindi according to Indian Census:

1. Kullui

2. Chambeali

3. Kangri

4. Sirmauri

5. Gaddi

6. Mandeali

7. Baghati Pahari

8. Churahi

9. Pangwali

Following are the state's Pahari languages that are recorded as dialects of Punjabi according to Indian Census:

1. Bhattiyali dialect

2. Kahluri

Pattani, a Sino-Tibetan language of Lahaul is very erroneously classified as dialect of Gujarati because there is a dialect of Gujarati called Pattani. It is a commoon snese that there won't be Guajarati speakers in Pattan Valley Lahaul or even in Kullu, given that non natives of the state cannot buy propoerty. Hence there is no conflation with the Gujarati speakers here.

Saraji, a Western Pahari language of Kullu is very erroneously classified as dialect of Kashmiri because there is a dialect of Kashmiri with the name Siraji. This language is divided into Inner & Outer Saraji & then classified as dialects of Kullui & Mahasui according to ethnologue, glottolog, etc. I can give you literary sources & grammar of Saraji of Kullu, Himachal, in case you think I have made this up. Speakers of this language are not even neighbors with Kashmiri's Saraji.

I can't help it if the nation's Census can be so ignorant to the very own citizens of the country.

I can give you the guarantee that none of these speakers consider there language as Hindi/Punjabi/Gujarati/Kashmiri or its dialect. They only acknowledge some similarities that may be present with Hindi or Punjabi. It is the other way round i.e. the system considers these as dialects. Other Wikipedia pages of Indian states state Bhojpuri, Magahi, etc. (which are much more similar to Hindi than Pahari languages are) separate from Hindi. I fail to understand why there doesn't seems to be any kind of problem over there but when it comes to Himachal, there is a problem!

Continuing with Kinnauri, yes the figure is inclusive of Chitkuli, etc varieties. You can cross check it with the total population of Kinnaur district & total Kinnauri speakers.

From the neighbouring states, I had included Punjabi, Nepali, Dogri & standard Hindi. The first three language's speakers have been very much involved in the history of Himachal. There is always a confusion regarding the percentage of Punjabi & Dogri speakers among the general mass. The pie chart was a good way to visualise it. Standard Hindi made an entry only after the independence. Note that I use the term Standard Hindi, because you will find Gurjari communities too, whose language is classified as dialect of Hindi according to Census, but present natively in the state & again don't consider it as a dialect of Hindi. For this, you can check out the Official languages of Jammu & Kashmir before turning it into a UT. There the Gurjari people were involved in making sure that there language is recognised separately according to the ex state's Constitution of Jammu & Kashmir.

Continuing with Ladakhi, Bhoti & Tibetan. Lahaul & Spiti were part of Ladakh kingdom. It was much later that they were separated. There language & culture is intertwined with each other. It doesn't make much sense to call the non-native. Tibetan is spoken by indigenous communities of border with Tibet as well as among the Tibetan refugee who are significant.

Pashto, Lambadi, Mundari, Sansi, Bauria, Jad, Bhadrawahi, Jaunsari, Kahshmiri, Haryanvi & Mugom wasn't explicitly stated in that pie chart. I hope you will restore it back to normal ASAP.

Nik9hil (talk) 08:14, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

My mention of Pashto, Lambadi etc. was in the context of my expansion of the text (rather than the removal of the pie chart) – I was just enumerating languages I haven't included even though they were listed by Ethnologue as spoken in the state. likewise for Ladakhi, but if there are significant indigenous populations, feel free to add a mention of it in the list (though according to the census it's spoken by only 0.017% of the state's population).
As for the pie chart, the issue is that it's not an accurate representation of the languages spoken in the state. It can't be one as long as it's based on the census figures. It lists the most widely spoken language as "Pahari", but that stands for a number of languages, and so is a superordinate category to the other languages listed further down, like Gaddi or Chambeali. That's the problem of using the census figures: they mix up individual languages with language groups. But even if we somehow ignored the Pahari, most of the the remaining figures won't be accurate either: Sirmauri for example isn't spoken by just 1.56% of the population, this figure is for those Sirmauri speakers who during the census have identified their language as such, but there are Sirmauri speakers who have instead opted for "Pahari" and so aren't included in this figure. I don't think there's a way we can extricate the speaker numbers of individual languages from those of Pahari: the percentages for Pahari are significant throughout the state, and in all but three districts they're in the two-digit range. What we have in the chart is the big phantom of "Pahari", and underestimates across the board for the individual Pahari varieties. What is done in other articles isn't always a good guide: Uttar Pradesh rightly omits giving census figures for the languages; Uttarkhand or Bihar do give them, though they probably shouldn't. – Uanfala (talk) 12:13, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

(ping Uanfala) From the pie chart, it was clearly visible that a majority of people identify their language with their native names. For those in Pahari, I have already mentioned who majorly constitute under it, so kindly go through it again. Instead of worrying about a remainder of speakers from my explanation of Pahari, it is much better that we explain what the term Pahari is in the article & keep the pie chart. If you want, I will prove it with the numbers. I wonder what can be a reliable source apart from Indian Census. Nik9hil (talk) 18:28, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Uanfala I am extremely disappointed from this lax attitude; you still haven't replied. Since you are the superior on this platform, I have no power to do anything. I hereby announce I won't be engaging with any kind of discussion with you, for you are simply a bigot. In the dominance of Hindi, these languages will die & you all will be mere spectators. Nik9hil (talk) 07:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nik9hil, no one on this platform is a 'superior', edit counts are merely a function of time spent editing and not a way to determine seniority. You are also not entitled to Uanfala's attention as Wikipedia is primarily a volunteer service and people are busy in real life. I suggest you wait patiently for Uanfala to return and reply at their convenience. Prolix 💬 08:38, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Prolix Actually the person has been replying to other pages recently, that's why I claimed them to be ignoring. As for the seniority, I didn't know about it. If he doesn't replies with apt explanation, I will be reverting the changes. Thanks for the information. Nik9hil (talk) 10:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't replied because I've already said what I meant to say, and it didn't seem this was taken on board. I don't see the point of restating the same points again and again. Nik9hil, I really don't understand what kind of bigotry you seem to associate me with. I'm arguing that we can't use the census figures because they miss the actual numbers of speakers by a wide margin. We simply don't have reliable data. The census severely under-reports the numbers for individual Pahari languages; in fact, if we did use those figures then we'd be making Himachal appear a lot less diverse than it actually is. – Uanfala (talk) 11:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nik9hil: Maintain WP:CIVILITY. Calling someone "bigot" in this forum is not a good thing and might go against you. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:22, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

The pie chart shown by me was diverse. It literally listed all of the Pahari languages of the state. For the term 'Pahari' I had told you who majorly constitute them in my previous replies & I also had asked to simply put an asterick with caption saying that it considers various Pahari speakers for people's understanding. I specifically mentioned Standard Hindi to avoid any kind of loss that might happen due to associating these languages with Hindi. I no where pointed that Census's classification is right. If we provide a small explanation for the term Pahari, it should go perfectly fine. I don't how else should I explain to you the same point. Nik9hil (talk) 15:12, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

What you're describing will make sense in a separate article about the languages of the state, to be given after the actual distribution of the languages as a sort of explanatory supplement focusing on the census results and explaining why they don't match the actual numbers. But here, if a reader sees this chart, they will assume – footnotes or not – that it represents the actual distribution of the languages spoken. You know this is not the case. There's no sense in which we can say that 32% of the population speak the Pahari language (because at least three quarters speak one or another of the Pahari langauges). There's no sense in which we can say that 1.56% are speakers of Sirmauri, because the real number is probably at least twice as big (because of all the Sirmauri speakers who in the census gave their language as "Pahari"). – Uanfala (talk) 14:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

• I recently added citations to a pie chart that was added by another user, and after it was removed I was referred to this thread. I’ve gone through this thread and I have a proposal that might make sense. I agree with Uanfala that the pie chart as it was included was definitely misleading. I do understand that census figures for any state with a significant “Hindi” speaking population are bound to be overstating Hindi’s speakers, however, for Himachal the all-encompassing ’Pahari’ also presents a problem: many speakers of individual western Pahari languages are undercounted separately since many are counted under ‘Pahari’. However, Nik9hil also has a point that the pie chart is important to represent the actual linguistic demography of the state, and to dispel any misconceptions about Hindi being the native tongue of the majority in Himachal. After all, the article is supposed to be encyclopaedic in nature.

  I propose that we include all individual western Pahari languages and ‘Pahari’ under a single unit, say “Western Pahari Languages”, with a footnote explaining the diversity within western Pahari (with names, not figures since those are not reliable). Hindi, Punjabi etc can be included separately as well. How does this sound to you both? @Uanfala:@Nik9hil: —UnpetitproleX (talk) 01:17, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

  I believe the text already does a decent job of dispelling any misconceptions about the dominance of Hindi. But if there is going to be a chart, then this proposal definitely makes sense and is an obvious improvement on the past versions. Still, it seems to be open to two objections. In grouping together all the Pahari languages, it may appear to downplay their internal diversity (a point that Nik9hil was keen to emphasise). And it still has to reckon with the ghost of Hindi, which will have to occupy a full 15% of the chart. – Uanfala (talk) 11:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

  @Uanfala: Agreed that the 15% figure for Hindi might also not be completely accurate given that the census probably overstates the number of Hindi speakers in general and Hindi speakers in “Hindi states” in particular, but the census figures are still used in many articles across wikipedia. Besides, it's hard to ascertain the extent of this and it could be very slight anyway (perhaps it is us undermining the impact of several decades of official use of Hindi), and many people indeed identify Hindi to be their mother tongue in Himachal Pradesh (15% according to the census), and by specifically including only those who explicitly mention Hindi, we’d be at the closest to an accurate figure as we can be using the census. And given the issues with the census figures specifically for the Pahari languages, I can't think of a better way to address the internal diversity of the Pahari languages than a brief explanatory footnote. Lets wait to see if @Nik9hil: or anyone else has any objections. —UnpetitproleX (talk) 18:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Kuhls: Communal Irrigation Systems of Himachal Pradesh

Please consider incorporating material from the above draft submission into this article. Drafts are eligible for deletion after 6 months of inactivity. ~Kvng (talk) 20:29, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I've accepted the draft. I don't think there's anything that can be merged or copied here, as the topic is really narrow. However, maybe a single-sentence mention could probably be weaved somewhere into the article text. – Uanfala (talk) 21:37, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Tallest mountain?

Some sources list the height of Shilla as 7,025 meters, while others list 6,132. This is important because the former would make it the tallest peak in the state, while the latter would leave Reo Purgyil the tallest. Does anyone know the reason for this and/or which is actually taller? Kornatice (talk) 05:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Meaning of name of Himachal Pradesh.....edits by User:Ron.Tyler1995

Dear User:Ron.Tyler1995 or User talk:Ron.Tyler1995 or Pulkit....The literal meaning of the word is 'Lap in Ice' or 'Lap of Ice'..... But as Himachal....in name Himachal...Him means Ice (बर्फ)...so as per official documentation of the state Himachal Pradesh Government, the literal meaning of the word Himachal is 'Snow laden' or 'Lap of Ice'...Also let me clear in the language hindi, in case of etymology, the articulation(or even also disarticulation) doesn't work same as for other languages, so the meaning of the word Himachal is 'Province in Lap of Ice' or province or land of snow-laden, as articulation is not same in case of Hindi language as of English language. Aj Ajay Mehta 007 (talk) 18:46, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Now,Pulkit apart from this,are you from Himachal? I think,As the discussion will be far better after knowing this...Aj Ajay Mehta 007 (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

@Aj Ajay Mehta 007: Hi User:Ajajaymehta,
The word Himachal is composed of 2 words 'Him' and 'Achal', not 'Aanchal'. Otherwise it would be Himanchal. Further, if you look up the hindi synonym of 'parvat'(Mountain) on google - it gives following names- पहाड़, गिरी, अचल, नग, भूधर, महीधर, शैल, नगपति, शिखर, अद्री, तुंग, धरणीधर. You can see here that Achal is a synonym of 'Parvat'(Mountain).
Further, one of its synonyms is 'अद्री' which if combined with 'हिम' becomes 'हिमाद्रि'. Himadri is a mountain range of greater Himalayas, just like 'हिमाचल' range, which is Lesser himalayas, and people called it by this name long before Himachal Pradesh as a state existed.
Further, in our National Anthem, there is a line ' विंध्य-हिमाचल, यमुना-गंगा, उच्छल जलधि तरंग' in which, the word 'हिमाचल' comes next to Vindhya(विंध्य) which is another mountain range in western-Central India & its full name is विंध्याचल (Vindhyachal) ie Vindhya Mountains. National anthem was composed by Rabindranath Tagore in 1911, way before idea of Himachal Pradesh as a state existed.
Therefore Himachal= Him+ Aanchal might be a convenient and easy translation of himachal, but it is not a correct one. it is believed so because many people lack the knowledge of sanskrit names and synonyms. My only purpose is to let the People of Himachal know the true meaning of the name of their state.
If you are convinced with my explanation, then please change it yourself, otherwise keep it as it is. I am not going to revert the changes you have made.
And Yes, I am from Palampur, Himachal. Ron.Tyler1995 (talk) 14:51, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Ron.Tyler1995: or pulkit, well, good to hear from Himachal Pradesh...

Firstly...Wikipedia doesn't simply work on results come after a Google search.

And about your info on himachal word like "Jan gan man etc.....before creation himachal etc." I have to say that...(Mentioned in puranas)Himachal is mentioned in the skand purana also....So leaving that apart.........The point is, I haven't fully changed your info on etymology in article, What I can say is that I had tried to add both kind of etymology in better way, hopes it is quite good.

Well far apart from that, personally I think somewhere you are right on Him+Achal (...But what concern is if it is a sanskrit articulation then somehow it could be like हिम्+अचल which can't be equal to हिमाचल, this will be हिमचल, and also As the first word (in sanksrit articulation) is हिम् then second word should be आचल to form word हिमाचल, As आचल not relevant word, so it contrdicts, now If it is हिम+अचल then it will be हिमाचल, then you may be right) will be Himachal.

As I am not fully denying your fact, so I haven't delete your etymology on the page. Instead of removing of your topology, I had added in a better way, that is in Or section(i.e. somehow and somewhere which fits to the both ideas).Well, Achal's literal meaning is not mountain, it is used in a metaphorical sense. But I think to write down both of ideas is a better way, you might be agree! () Also plz be free to go through-

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/himachal-day-2021-date-history-significance-and-10-facts-about-himachal-pradesh-2413589

https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/himchal-pradesh-305386-2016-01-25

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/astrology/others/how-indian-states-got-their-names/articleshow/68206288.cms

Aj Ajay Mehta 007 (talk) 18:28, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@Aj Ajay Mehta 007: Hi User:Ajajaymehta,
1> First of all, the synonyms of पर्वत(Mountain) are not invented by me, they are made by rishi munis and authorities on sanskrit grammar like Panini. So, it does not matter, where I get the synonyms of पर्वत. You will also find same results in any grammar book of any standard. So, you telling me that wiki pedia does not run on google searches is itself a flawed argument.
2> You are saying हिम्+अचल equals to हिमचल and not हिमाचल. This is where you are wrong. In Hindi, whenever word, which starts with 'अ', is used as suffix- it becomes 'आ' in combined word.
Ex. महाराज+ अधिराज becomes महाराजाधिराज
मूल्य+अंकन becomes मूल्यांकन
अधिक+ अंश becomes अधिकांश.

Moreover, the links that you have provided me to go through are just copy paste from most convenient sources, without any reference to the original source from which they have been taken. So, it is another tragedy that, most people will believe these articles as authentic. It is not my intention to prove you wrong. I am just trying to make my fellow himachali realize the true meaning of our state name. Even I used to believe that Him + Aanchal= Himachal. But, when i delved deeper into hindi and sanskrit grammar, then i realized that I did not even know the true meaning of my state's name.
I hope that you are not having the same misconception as others are having or even I used to have.Ron.Tyler1995 (talk) 04:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding of two infobox in article- infobox Government by Ron.Tyler1995

Dear Pulkit, I think, you are not trying to understand the wikipedia policy. Try to understand Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and WP:NOTPAPER. Also read How infobox should be. What matters is navigation to page of Government of HP. There is an another page for Government of Himachal Pradesh, if you want to improve, improve that. As there is already a section of Government (a navigation to Government page) exist in already given infobox. Important things have been given in the section . Aj Ajay Mehta 007 (talk) 05:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@Aj Ajay Mehta 007:. There is nothing in wiki's policy that says one can't add 2 infoboxes in same article. I have already made infobox as consise as possible. So, don't revert the changes. This revert war won't do any good. Ron.Tyler1995 (talk) 05:19, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ron.Tyler1995 and Pulkit:, Firstly, I haven't said that you can't add two infobox to a page,(but writing down only important info in one infobox is preferred in acc. policy) also you are trying to add same information again in another infobox, that either has been given already in infobox or has a navigation to wiki page for that. And in section of edit summary, you were saying that Himachal has existence because of government (firstly there is no relevance of your this idea , even if it is considered, what about Antarctica, place at another planets Mars etc. Is there government.)

Well,Indeed government is a part that need to added, it has been added in the government section in already given infobox, also there is this-- Government of Himachal Pradesh. No but you want to add everything here, like this minister, that minister, this portfolio that etc. Uff.....

Also I think you have done this earlier with an IP address, don't do this, handling things on wiki in this way, may result in block you and your IP address from further editing on wiki.

And I am seeing you are still not understanding Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and WP:NOTPAPER and How infobox should be, but still want argue over here.

@Aj Ajay Mehta 007:, Please refrain from giving threats to me like blocking me and my IP addresses. You are not a content moderator. If you want to report me and my IP address, just do it, but don't give threats. You have no authority to decide what information to add and what not to add. and moreover, I added collapsible list of Council of Ministers in the infobox. If you are using mobile version of wiki, then it is your fault. As far as antarctica is concerned, it does not have a government, because it is not a state or country. Here, this page, yes buddy, this page!!!, ie. Himachal Pradesh is a state and state by definition means a geographical area governed by an organized form of government. As expected, Your logic is flawed again. Instead of coming at me again and again, give a moment about what others are trying to say. With your aggression levels, I am guessing that you might be in early or mid 20's. Please learn to respect the perspective of others. You have a very long journey ahead of you. Cheers!!! Ron.Tyler1995 (talk) 15:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

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Infobox Montage

The montage in the infobox needs an overhaul. It has seen major changes in the last few months (one such, admittedly, made by me). The current one doesn't seem very representative, and uses some bad quality images. I'll try and improve it, using featured and quality images as far as possible. Leaving this here for any objections since the montage has been changed several times. UnpetitproleX (talk)

This is the montage that I've come up with. It includes:

• Two featured pictures: Shimla and Key Monastery; and a WP:POTD on Odia wiki: Kinner Kailash
• Three Quality images: Dharamsala stadium, Bhimakali temple and Tosh (Paravati valley)
• Has symmetry, which I believe makes it much more visually pleasing.
• Actually includes three structures (HPCA stadium, Key Gompa and Bhimakali temple) instead of just pictures of mountains, as representative for the architectural styles and cultures of the people of the state rather than monotony of just the natural environment and topographical features of the earlier version.
• I've kept the Kalpa image from before and replaced the Khajjiar one with a better Khajjiar picture.

However, I believe that there's still room for improvement. Please suggest changes that you believe could make it better. UnpetitproleX (talk) 02:07, 14 April 2022 (UTC) Updated UnpetitproleX (talk) 21:47, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 05:07, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Infobox replacement

The {{Infobox settlement}} used on this page is going to be replaced with {{Infobox Indian state or territory}} as per the Proposal and Consensus of RFC. Any questions/suggestions? Discuss Here.

You can also contribute by replacing Infobox settlement with Infobox Indian state or territory on other pages , or by improving this one. Tojoroy20 (talk) 07:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done Replaced — Tojoroy20 (talk) 21:14, 10 March 2023 (UTC)