Talk:Highlanders (rugby union)

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Date	Process	Result
January 11, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
January 19, 2024	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

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Name Change

This article's name really needs to be changed to the Highlanders, as the team ceased to be known as the "Otago Highlanders" a number of years ago. Unfortunately I don't know how to do it, can someone help? Eastpaw

I've changed to Highlanders. In case you are interested, if you want to change the name of an article just look to the tabs above the page and next to history is the text move. You go in there and type what it should be called. Lummie 14:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Page Move

Found at Talk:Blues (rugby team)--Hamedog_Talk|^@ 13:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That discussion was closed, and it was decided that these various page moves should be discussed separately. Those interested may wish to relist this page as an individual move request. -GTBacchus^(talk) 02:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Song

The song is a bit outdatted, I think when the name changed from Otago Highlanders to just Highlanders the lyrics were changed aswell

†he Bread 01:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maps

Maps of the franchise encachment areas would enhance the article. Chainz 09:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done - Shudde ^talk 03:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merger discussion

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the Merge of History of the Highlanders and Highlanders (Super rugby franchise). Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Failed. No consensus for merge. - Shudde ^talk 03:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support

The main article is quite stubbish in terms of content - its the navigation boxes which are making articles too large - categories do this far more efficiently. I would much rather read a single article such as Crusaders (rugby) then have to read several articles on the one topic, with (of necessity) repeated background information in each. If the merge is rejected, then I would suggest a name change to either History of the Highlanders (rugby) or History of the Highlanders rugby franchise as being more appropriate, since Highlander is a relatively generic word. dramatic (talk) 20:38, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Oppose - I will be writing a summary of the history in the next few days for incorporation into this article. The History article was only created yesterday (a bit early to ask for a merge don't you think?)! It is 19kb currently, and will be larger once expanded. See WP:SIZE, if merged this article will be well over 32kb in size, and would warrant a split. The history currently doesn't include 2006 and 2007 season, and could still still be expanded on top of that. Hence I think should remain separate from this article. A split will occur eventually if these articles are merged anyhow, so why not split now? - Shudde ^talk 10:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I agree with Shudde, this article is recent and I don't see any reason to merge it now and as pointed out, it is quite a big article and will get bigger so for now it should be kept as separate as possible...--Comet styles 03:11, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Grammar: they or it

Referring to the Highlanders as they and not it is fine. For example "They play in the Super 14" and not "It plays in the Super 14". This is a group of people, and so is acceptable. For example this article [1] from the NZ Herald. That article says "that relied on playing clinical rugby because they lacked the big-name game breakers other teams possessed" not "that relied on playing clinical rugby because it lacked the big-name game breakers other teams possessed" (I added emphasis). The article is written this way, and should not be changed. - Shudde ^talk 08:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Thoroughly referenced, while the McIlraith is used quite a bit, it is done in the proper manner, giving page references to one main Bibliographic entry.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
The history section, while long, is at the very least consistent in its coverage of each season. Consider shortening to one paragraph per section of History of the Highlanders, this to avoid going into too much detail on each individual season within this article. Per Wikipedia:Summary style
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
While articles on sports teams are prone to fannism, this article is very factual and to the point. Well Done!
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Good use of Commons images, map does well to illustrate area for us not from NZ.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

--Greenguy1090 (talk) 04:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

peer review request

I have requested a peer review of this article. I'm aiming to improve it to FA standard. Please comment at the peer review comments page here. Thanks. - Shudde ^talk 00:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks really great. I'm reading through it to see if anything can be improved upon. Cvene64 (talk) 12:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism

Can we get a criticism section added? I understand criticism has been expressed of Andrew Hore being added to the Highlanders team given that he has a conviction for shooting protected fur seals on the Otago Peninsula. Many have expressed that they do not wish to see Hore represented as a role model to children, and the Highlanders were criticized further for refusing to respond to this situation. This is currently unresolved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.188.14.114 (talk) 05:04, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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Embedded lists

This article, like many sports articles, has got very listy. I'm considering delisting it as much as I can a replacing with prose as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Embedded lists — does anyone have any problems with this? - Shudde ^talk 10:57, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Reassessment

Highlanders (rugby union)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This 2008 listing contains significant uncited material, in addition to some poor prose and a lack of updates (the notable players subsection is based on a dead link from 2007). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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