Talk:Highland Falls station

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one of two remaining?

This article and the Milton Railroad Station article both claim that each of the two stations is "one of the only two remaining passenger stations along the west side of the Hudson River." (sic) without further qualification (such as "from the West Shore Railroad" or "from the 19th century" or "in Orange or Ulster Counties"). However, there appear to be many more than just two passenger stations still standing along the west side of the Hudson River. From south to north the stations still standing include at least the following:

Passenger stations still standing along the west side of the Hudson River

Station	built	companies	address	coordinates	notes
Central Railroad of New Jersey Terminal	1889	CNJ	Communipaw, Jersey City, NJ	40°42′30″N 74°2′39″W	Served as a ferry terminal. Is now a national park. NRHP Reference#: 75001138
Hoboken Terminal	25 February 1907	DL&W, EL, NJTR	1 Hudson Place Hoboken, NJ	40°44′5.64″N 74°1′40.08″W	Active station still in use, also used as a ferry terminal. NRHP Reference#: 73001102
Weehawken Port Imperial	29 October 2005	(former WS right of way, NJJ), HBLR	Pershing Road Weehawken, NJ	40°46′33″N 74°00′46″W	Operating light rail station and ferry terminal.
Piermont (Erie Railroad station)	1873	NRNJ, ERIE, EL	50 Ash Street Piermont, NY	41°02′29″N 73°55′06″W	Passenger use ended in 1892, continued on as a freight depot for several more decades.
Orangeburg station	1883	NYO&W, WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	17 Highview Avenue Orangeburg, New York	41°02′38″N 73°56′57″W	1.5 story wooden white clapboard building. Near northern terminus of the Joseph B. Clarke rail trail (former Erie line, see Northern Branch).
Congers station		WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	Lake Road and Burnside Avenue Congers, NY	41°09′05″N 73°56′29″W	Two story building with brick first floor and wood framed second floor and porticos. Serves as a history museum.
Haverstraw station	1882–1891	WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	Depot Place Haverstraw, NY	41°11′41″N 73°58′07″W	Building serves as a law office.
Iona Island station	1882 or later	WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	Iona Island	41°18′07″N 73°58′37″W	An amusement park and steamboat landing were here in the 19th century. Naval depot in 20th. An interpretive sign placed by the NYSDEC mentions that 5 of 100 buildings of the weapons depot remain standing.
Highland Falls Railroad Depot	1882	WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	Station Hill Road Highland Falls, NY	41°22′27″N 73°57′39″W	Building serves as a private residence. NRHP Reference#: 82001218
West Point station		WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	South Dock, West Point, NY	41°23′15″N 73°57′19″W	Renovated by the USMA class of 1947 to serve as a rentable banquet hall.
Newburgh station		WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	27 South Water Street Newburgh, NY	41°30′03″N 74°00′24″W	Converted to a pizza restaurant and theatre in 2011 (located a few blocks south of the Post office). Two and a half story brick and cast stone built into a hillside with riveted steel supports at trackside. A cartouche in the pediment above the main entrance on South Water Street is emblazoned with a "NYC" logo for New York Central Railroad.
Highland Landing		WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	Oakes Road Highland, NY	41°42′47″N 73°56′58″W	1.5 story shingle clad wooden building, privately owned. Located below the Poughkeepsie Bridge.
Milton Railroad Station	1883 (expanded 1890)	WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	Old Indian Trail Milton, NY	41°39′09″N 73°57′15″W	Converted to a wine tasting hall (late 20th century). Sold to town in 1998. NRHP Reference#: 07000873
Westbrook Station	6 December 2008	CMRR	Westbrook Lane Kingston, NY	41°56′07″N 74°00′54″W	Wooden ticket booth and short elevated platform for a tourist line excursion train, located in the corner of a shopping plaza parking lot.
Lake Katrine station		WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	Leggs Mill Road Lake Katrine, NY	41°59′22″N 73°59′29″W	2 story wooden clapboard (2nd floor) and board and batten (1st floor) structure.
Saugerties station	1881	WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	Ulster Avenue (NYS Routes 32 & 212) Saugerties, NY	42°04′55″N 73°57′58″W	Wood building has been converted to a propane gas depot.
Malden station		WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	Malden Turnpike Malden, NY		1.5 story hip roofed structure was moved 500 feet and is no longer trackside.
Catskill station	1912	WS, NYC, (CR, CSX nearby ROW)	Newberry Street and Maple Avenue Catskill, NY	42°13′16″N 73°52′24″W	Gambrel roofed stone building has been turned into a tire repair shop. Located south of the steel trestle over Catskill Creek.
Union Station	1900	NYC, DH	575 Broadway Albany, NY	42°39′5″N 73°45′0″W	Now serves as a bank. NRHP Reference#: 71000516

As well as a couple of rapid transit stations that have been extensively rebuilt and now look quite different from their original architectural styles:

Passenger stations that have been rebuilt along the west side of the Hudson River

Station	built	companies	address	coordinates	notes
St. George Terminal	31 July 1884	SIR	St. George, Staten Island	40°38′36″N 74°4′27″W	Still in use, but extensively rebuilt.
Exchange Place (PATH station)	19 July 1909	H&M, PATH	Exchange Place, Jersey City	40°42′58″N 74°01′59″W	Subway station still in use. Extensive rebuild in the 1960s or 1970s left the station unlike its original.

I did not bother to list several other PATH or HBLR stations, having listed only the ones that are very close to the river. I think the claim needs to be reworded. 69.126.127.193 (talk) 03:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

References

When first written by MrFish in 2009 this articles sentence read: "A wooden structure, the station is one of a very few original West Shore depots left.". After being modified by Daniel Case in edit from 23 July 2010 the sentence read: "It is, along the Milton station to the north in Ulster County, one of the only two remaining passenger stations along the west side of the Hudson River." Unfortunately, this erroneous fact was used as a "did you know?" element in the Trains Portal recently (where the claim caught my attention). The original wording was more accurate, and I'd prefer to change it back for the reasons shown in this table with references (which was an interesting list to compile). 69.126.127.193 (talk) 16:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

To editor 69.126.127.193: You seem to have developed good information that should indeed be used to correct this article and the other article where an apparently incorrect claim has been made. Please do go ahead and edit these two articles to correct the information. I am sure that editor User:Daniel Case and other previous editors of this article will not take offense in any way. I am sure that the apparently incorrect or inexact statements were added to these articles with belief that they were true statements, but it often does happen that what we believe is true turns out not to be the case, particularly for broad statements about a historic place being the "only" or "oldest" or other claims relative to all other historic places. In particular, I have noticed that NRHP nominations seem to be generally extremely reliable about individual specifics of a place, like in their description of architectural details, but sometimes can be completely wrong about "oldest" and "only" type claims, where a writer is not really in a position to know about all other candidates for the claim. Daniel Case and I and other editors of articles about NRHP places have probably several times accepted statements that turned out later to be false. He and I and others certainly want for corrections to be made, in such cases. In this case, I just reviewed the NRHP nomination document and don't see the claim made here; maybe it was made in the other place's NRHP nomination document, but in any case it seems the original claim is wrong or was over-stated.

I appreciate that you have been courteous and nice in your having posted your information here. You are convincing to me. At this point, you should please go ahead and edit the article to put in correct information. Please be bold and go ahead! Thanks for your attention and your contribution. --doncram 18:38, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and encouragement. I have edited this article, the Milton article, and the Did you know? subpage to restore wording closer to MrFish's original claim. I have also entered a few other West Shore Railroad names in the above table, for completeness' sake. I suspect such a table (excised of other company's stations) might be a useful addition to the West Shore article. 69.126.127.193 (talk) 14:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Flawed claims in infobox template

The infobox tells wrong information about adjacent stations.Dogru144 (talk) 23:10, 1 September 2020 (UTC)