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Determine why so many non-highball drinks are listed, since a highball is a drink with an alcohol base and a mixer addition. AN alcohol and A mixer. Two parts. Any drink with more than AN alcohol and A mixer is NOT a highball.

    **Agreed, most of these drinks have more than two ingredients, and by definition are not highballs, but rather just cocktails.

Deleted "Allen Key" from list. After extensive research (numerous cocktail databases), I could find no source indicating that such a drink is even real. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theglin (talk • contribs) 23:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jack & Coke

While I understand that JD & Coke is probably one of the best known examples in popular culture, it should be noted that its not the only whiskey mixed with cola. The article makes it seem like "JD & Coke" is as universal and exclusive as "Gin and Tonic". I'll add a sentence in as such, but feel free to tidy it and integrate it however you like. 82.69.37.32 (talk) 19:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this should be changed to whiskey and coke. ♣DeathRattle101 AKA LUX♣ (^verbalize _generosity) 09:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if anybody will be able to find a citation for this, but it may be of interest that you will likely never see Coke in pre-mixed form, as Coca-Cola does not allow its product to be mixed and sold with beverages from any other company (apparently due to quality control and product image issues). Source: Bundaberg distillery (Australia). 121.98.178.172 (talk) 13:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction

All the drink recipes are listed as made in collins glasses and one in a mug. How are the highball drinks? It makes no sense. FYI whiskey and coke drinks are actually made in highball glasses more often than not, thats one of he original highball drinks. ♣DeathRattle101 AKA LUX♣ (^verbalize _generosity) 10:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Please see discussion at Talk:Highball ENeville (talk) 03:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a lot of work

I thought about trying to clean this article up but it's too far gone. The list needs to be pruned back to just highballs. The term "highball" was originally a railroad term, but referred to the brakeman's signal to the engineer to proceed, not a ball on a stick. It's unclear whether the drink is named after the signal. Seems unlikely since the name came from the UK via British actor E. J. Ratcliffe, and the brakeman's signal is not called a highball there. The highball was not invented by Duffy, but he was the first to describe its origin, in a letter to the NYT on Oct 22, 1927. Good luck, I'll be back if I get some time. Rees11 (talk) 00:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I looked up a couple references, and Gary Regan considers most of the listed drinks to be highballs. He also says the name comes from the railroad term, although he defines it differently. Rees11 (talk) 18:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is unclear why Jack and Coke, Salty Dog, Seven and Seven, and Sloe Comfortable Screw are given their own sections when none of the other highballs in the list have their own. Since all but the Salty Dog refer to a particular brand (or brands) it looks an awful lot like an attempt by these companies or one of their reps to drum up their own drinks' popularity. 71.162.44.36 (talk) 21:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed 7&7, as it already has a separate article. I suggest we remove the others too. I could be convinced the one IBA drink should remain. Rees11 (talk) 22:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should remove the entire list, and all recipes, except for the drink that is named Highball. (The trick being finding a well documented recipe for the highball, since it's not an IBA official one.) I'll try to track one down. Kerbuffel (talk) 01:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article claims a highball has less 'drink' in it than 'mixer'. Why is "Alabama Slammer" on the list, for example? This is a list of people's favorite drinks and I think there should be a separate article called "List of alcoholic drinks" and this Highball article should just be about the definition without a big list. Tempshill (talk) 20:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would be in favor of removing the list completely. It's never going to be complete and will just grow out of control over time. Rees11 (talk) 23:53, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Having worked in a bar, I was under the impression the name comes from the glass it is served in; a 'tall glass, that has a ball of air in the base when the glass is blown'. I do concede that this is unsubstantiated, and may be the glass following on from the drink name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.197.78 (talk) 16:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Etymology

Probably not worth noting in the article, but in case anyone wants to follow up. Earliest written use of the railroad term is from the Chicago Record in 1897, according to the Dictionary of American Regional English. Interesting because Duffy claims the drink originated in 1894, so that would cast doubt on the drink being named after the signal. Of course the railroad term could have been in use in Britain before the US, although I can find no evidence for that. Or Duffy could have been making up his story, or changed the dates to make it look like he invented the drink. Or the signal could have been named after the drink.

I read a book a while back by a railroad brakeman who claimed the highball was the favorite drink of brakemen, because it can be served quickly and is named after the signal. Can't find the book now. Rees11 (talk) 16:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Radical cutting

I came here to learn about the history behind the term, and found random recipes for all kinds of cocktails which are clearly not highballs at all. They are gone. I left some in which are marginally relevant.KD Tries Again (talk) 03:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again[reply]

Embedded list

Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Embedded lists, preference for non-list articles (articles not titled "List of ..." or the like) is to contain mainly prose, though they can contain some lists. The "List of highballs" section currently fills about half of this page. Would the content be better dealt with as a separate, linked WP:Stand-alone list, or perhaps as a section of List of cocktails? Cnilep (talk) 02:45, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is it a nation-specific term?

Term is US not UK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.206.248 (talk) 22:46, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wolf's paw

The Swedish "Wolf's paw" (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vargtass) seems to fit the criteria of a highball. Vodka + lingonberry juice (sugared or not)/cranberry juice (sugared or not). Sorry don't know how to edit properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.145.95.75 (talk) 19:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Erroneous ref to "pressure gauge"

I removed the mention of "pressure gauge" in the Etymology section. Locomotive pressure gauges did not have a ball to indicate pressure, they were the Bourdon tube type. (A ball sight gauge was used to indicate water level in the boiler, but not pressure.) And in any case, high pressure (or high level) would not necessarily correlate to high speed. (In fact, pressure at high speed would be relatively low, due to steam consumption.) BMJ-pdx (talk) 00:47, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]