Jump to content

Talk:Herschel H. Cudd

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Former good article nomineeHerschel H. Cudd was a Natural sciences good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
April 18, 2010Good article nomineeNot listed
[edit]

This appears to be dead: "Cudd". Chicago Tribune. 2000-10-11. Retrieved 2010-01-28.. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 07:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC) And now it is undead. Odd... —Disavian (talk/contribs) 00:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

[edit]
This review is transcluded from Talk:Herschel H. Cudd/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: S Masters (talk) 06:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    Article appears to comply with WP:NPOV.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
    Article appears to be stable.
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Comments:

  • Wikilinks should only be made on the first mention. Do not link more than once.
  • You might want a third-party editor give a once over for this article. There are missing punctuation marks throughout, and Cudd becomes Hudd halfway through the article.  Done
  • There is insufficient referencing in the lead. If these are referenced further down, move those references up to the lead.  Done
  • There is no need to provide multiple references for the one point. One reference is sufficient.
  • This is very little about his personal life. Where/how did he die? For the oil and cigarettes section, more details such as notable achievements, would be good. Currently, it's just a string of appointments, which is really not that interesting to readers.

Summary: In addition to the issues mentioned above, I feel that there is not enough information in this article to provide a true picture of the man, and hence does not make this a Good Article. I will, however, provide seven days for these issues to be resolved.

I don't see any missing punctuation marks? And good call on the Cudd/Hudd thing. That was a silly mistake, and it's been fixed. As for referencing in the lead, I've had FAC noms where they've explicitly told me to *not* reference in the lead when the fact is present in the article; is there a policy page that points to one or the other of those choices? And the multiple references generally point to different parts of the same point; for example, #1 could be that Cudd was part of a company and #2 was that the company was sold. Either way, I've never seen a reviewer say there was *too much* referencing. I personally believe it's okay to relink things if they were previously mentioned halfway across the page. So if something's linked in the lead I will relink it in the article body. I did fix the one instance I found of something that was linked twice in the body, though. As for the lack of content about his personal life/death, I've put everything about him that I was able to find into the article and referenced it. I would understand if the content available is not complete enough to make GA. But thank you for taking the time to review the article. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 20:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "From 1954 to 1960 he was a Vice President..." - It needs a comma after 1960. This is also to be consistent with the start of the following paragraph, which has a comma after a similar phrase.  Done
  • Yes, there is a policy on this, see WP:CITELEAD. Since, you have started referencing some parts of the lead, you might want to be consistent and include more. For instance, is R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Company less important?
  • In the case of references pointing to different parts of a sentence, place the reference exactly where the fact is, even if it is in the middle of the sentence. As awkward as it is, this is what is required.
  • In terms of too much referencing, I have seen many reviewers ask for references to be removed, if the case applies. For example, the would be no need to have 20 references for the day that a particular person died. You have three references at the end of one sentence. If all three refer to different parts of the sentence, then move the references to where they belong in the sentence. If all there reference the entire sentence, then remove two of the references. One is sufficient.
  • Here is the policy on wikilinks - WP:REPEATLINK. If the article was very long or highly technical, then I can see the advantage of having multiple links. However, this particular article is relatively short, and I can't see why they need to be repeated.
  • I am trying to look at comparable articles in the category of GAs of chemists and materials scientists, and of the small entries there, Pierre-François Chabaneau and Alexander Shulgin are particularly short. Having said that, both GAs were awarded before or around the same time as a 2007-2008 review of the GA process. As not all contain very personal information, I am still wiling to consider this article for GA, provided that all issues are resolved.
Thanks for all your hard work and let's see how far you can make this article better. -- S Masters (talk) 05:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarifications. I've worked on some of these issues, but I don't really feel that it quite meets your expectations yet. I'm going to be busy the rest of the week, so if you go ahead and fail the nom there won't be any hard feelings. The real issue is finding sources that state (in detail) what he did in these positions after Georgia Tech; I'm sure there's something out there, but I haven't found it yet. When I get some more time the next task could be using the sources I have and expanding on those sections of the article. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 18:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
More or less the entirety of his post-GT life is from this source: "Rjr Nabisco Notice of Annual Meeting and Proxy Statement". TobaccoDocuments.org. 1982-03-17. Retrieved 2010-01-28.
Disavian (talk/contribs) 18:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments: This article has the potential to be a Good Article, however it requires more work to meet all the GA requirements. I would like to thank all the editors that have worked hard on this article so far. Once all of the issues above have been addressed, you can renominate this article. On this particular occasion, I am afraid that I have to fail the GAN. -- S Masters (talk) 04:43, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 5 external links on Herschel H. Cudd. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 18:34, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]