Talk:Heraclius (son of Constans II)

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Review: March 28, 2018. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Heraclius (son of Constans II) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 December 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that when Tiberius was dethroned in 681, he and his brother and Byzantine co-emperor Heraclius were mutilated, but after Tiberius III was deposed in 705, he and his brother Heraclius were executed?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2010/December.

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Merge discussion

This article's text is almost identical to Tiberius (son of Constans II). Therefore, per WP:Merging, I think merging into one article should be seriously considered, with appropriate redirects from the individial articles to catch searches. DavidWard ^talk 21:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I leaning towards support, but only just. It is true that the brothers are treated together, and no more information is available for the one than the other. That being said, they were emperors, and I do consider it more "fitting" to have separate articles, as far as possible. Anyhow, what should the proposed merged article be named like? Heraclius and Tiberius (Byzantine co-emperors) or Heraclius and Tiberius (sons of Constans II)? Constantine ✍ 02:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Heraclius (son of Constans II)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Gog the Mild (talk · contribs) 15:48, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Review

Well-written:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (prose)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass
(b) (MoS)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass

Verifiable with no original research:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (references)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass
(b) (citations to reliable sources)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass
(c) (original research)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass
(d) (copyvio and plagiarism)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass

Broad in its coverage:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (major aspects)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass
(b) (focused)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Notes	Result
The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass

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Notes	Result
The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass

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(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)	The reviewer has no notes here.	Pass
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Result

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Pass	Short, detailed, well referenced.

Discussion

Images.

"Reverse of a solidus of Constantine IV, displaying Heraclius and his brother Tiberius." Do we know which is Heraclius?

Done

Prose. I have made a few minor changes. Let me know if you find any of them problematic.

"After the death of Constans II, Constantine IV ascended the throne as senior emperor" I think that at this point in the lead you need to explain who Constantine IV is in relation to Heraclius. (And possibly in relation to Constans.)
Done
"in 659, prior to his departure for Italy, Constans II also elevated Heraclius to the rank of co-emperor" Possibly "shortly before" or "immediately before"?
Done
"He attempted to demote his brothers from" IMO it would be worth stressing just before here that Heraclius had ruled as co-emperor to his brother for 13 years. As it reads it gives the impression that Constans made this move immediately after burying their father.
Done
"Confronted by this situation, Constantine kept a close eye on his brothers, and sent across a trusted officer, Theodore, the captain of Koloneia, giving him the delicate task of praising the soldiers for their devotion and agreeing with their reasoning, with the objective of persuading them to return to their barracks in Anatolia." This is too long and needs splitting. Perhaps after "Koloneia"?
Done
"the army departed back into the interior of Anatolia" Earlier in the sentence Anatolia is used to refer just to the theme. The change of context is potentially confusing. Consider "the army departed back to Anatolia".
Done
When people are executed by hanging then, strictly, they are "hanged", not "hung".

Done References.

The Dumbarton Oaks OCLC is for the 1992 edition, not the 1968 edition in the bibliography. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:27, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Done

@Gog the Mild: I believe I have done all you have asked. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 18:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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