Talk:Hera/Archive 1

Archive 1

Hera Parthenos

This is a great furore about an aspect natural to a goddess of marriage, but quite rarely attested. Can we condense it and make it less polemical? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I hope any "furore" can be confined to Talk instead! It's the same length as the chatter about Tiresias, in which Hera plays a merely anecdotal role that says nothing of her nature, history or cult; Hera Parthenos was not previously even hinted at, so can't genuinely be that obvious; and it has a reference to support almost each statement so as not to be plastered with "". It doesn't suit one's Edith-Hamilton memories of Hera, does it? why not apply a POV label?--Wetman 06:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Edith Hamilton? Please. Do consult my contributions. I have cited Edith Hamilton only to show that Fallmerayer's nonsense on the extinction of the Ancient Greeks was notable. But I think this can be dealt with with recasting, and a change of title. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

• We still need a reference for "practices". Farnell should serve. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

GA On Hold

I have placed this article on hold for the main reason that this article, while very thorough and complete (nice job!), does not adequately cite sources. It has many sections with several unreferenced sources. Since Hera plays a major part in mythology, it shouldn't be too hard to find good sources about the information here. When you have finished, or if you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at my talk page. Cheers, Corvus coronoides 14:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

GA Failed

Due to a week being up, I failed this article's GA because I feel it still needs more referencing to be up to GA standards. I did notice the work that was done, and commend you for it. Good job! Cheers, Corvus coronoides _talk 17:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Uh, weirdness in second paragraph

Portrayed as majestic llll and solemn

Emphasis mine. What?! --75.7.9.106 01:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Hera, Heros

Wiktionary states the following instead of this,

for the meaning Mistress as a feminine to Heros, Master." Furthermore, A.J. van Windekens.

Wiktionary says heros has more a meaning of protector, or at the Latin etymology demi-god. Hera is a full god so, shouldn't it be translated with protectress? (according to Wikt.) Mallerd 15:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

HEROS in Homer means "nobleman" or "lord"--its feminine counterpart HERA would mean, approximately, "lady" (in the sense of a noblewoman). Any good Homeric dictionary will confirm this (mine is in storage at the moment), but the larger Liddell and Scott does too. This online source of the 1901 edition is useful: <ref>https://archive.org/stream/greekenglishlex00lidduoft#page/654/mode/2up,/ref>

Also, the distinctions between gods, demigods, and heroes were not, in ancient Greek practice, nearly so clear as modern readers tend to assume. The rules are not hard and fast, as can be seen from cult practice. --Valerie voigt (talk) 15:54, 12 December 2016 (UTC)Valerie Voigt 07:34, 12 December 2016 (PST)

IPA

Why is the IPA pronunciation given using the modern Greek pronunciation and not the accepted classical one? We're using the ancient greek accents, so there should be no question about which pronunciation should be used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.95.237 (talk) 05:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Removed semi-protection template

The well-named DumbBOT has removed the semi-protection template from this article, publically announcing in the edit summary "removing a protection template from a non-protected page." In other words, "let the vandalism begin!" Check the page history following December 14 to see whether I was right or not. --Wetman (talk) 19:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

In popular culture

"In the computer game Zeus: Master of Olympus, the player cannot build a temple to Hera, unlike the other major Greek gods; she in fact is not really mentioned in the game at all. She does, however, appear in the supplement/sequel, Poseidon."

Why exactly is there a mention of a computer game where Hera was not present? TV4Fun (talk) 21:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Passing references or the jejune report that Hera appears here or there, add nothing to the reader's understanding of Hera: that is the test of relevance. Irrelevancies are deleted on a regular basis, here and elsewhere. Do it yourself. And log in!--Wetman (talk) 10:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

New Request:

Hera is a character in the young adult Daughters of Zeus series. Can this be added in? Asking because 1. Yes, I benefit from this addition, but 2. I do search the popular culture section of mythological characters for reading material on said characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaitlinbevis (talk • contribs) 16:23, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

What is this sentence supposed to mean?

Earlier sanctuaries, whose dedication is less secure, were of the Mycenaean type called "house sanctuaries".--Filll (talk | wpc) 21:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Polis

Okay, so I added Hera's Polis as Argos, which according to websites she won over Poseidon. Any people willing to debate this are free to do so, adding other patron cities to the heading:

Polis =

Too if they want. Calamitas-92 (talk) 09:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Dione

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The Dione ( [[Dione]] ) link needs to be replaced with Dione (mythology) ( [[Dione (mythology)|Dione]] ) - 58.8.15.66 (talk) 09:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Done Celestra (talk) 14:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey

goddess of women and marriage!!? she was goddess of women (as women rights and behavior) and married life(nagging,bedtalk and having to take care each other)not marriage(as the seremony or the condition) ,be more carefull plz.Oh yes she was the goddess of the act of bedtalking(and all annoying compains)and of being a crying b!tch. seriously don't you look it up just ask a scolar or a profesor,sorry about my english. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.229.208 (talk) 10:11, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Ahem, she was indeed a goddess of marriage, including the ceremony. The commenter using textspeak above seems to have a vivid imagination as well as projecting personal issues onto the mythology.--Valerie voigt (talk) 16:17, 12 December 2016 (UTC)Valerie Voigt

They are probably the same person that added the sexist vandalism to discredit current studies and evidence of a matriarchal group in greece earlier on. Far right trolls have really been hitting hard to rewrite wikipedia to suit their position. 96.31.190.97 (talk) 00:38, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Comment by 76.127.160.154

I shall add the following more nuanced text to the article : "The name of Hera, the queen of the gods, admits a variety of mutually exclusive etymologies; one possibility is to connect it with hora, season, and to interpret it as ripe for marriage." So begins the section on Hera in Walter Burkert, Greek Mythology (1985), III.2.2 (p. 131). In a note he records other scholars' arguments "for the meaning Mistfdsgdsij djh hello whata re yoiu doung today then are you okay b=cuase i am. wubu2. dis sit need spicin up a lil. don u upgrade —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.160.154 (talk • contribs)

Hera's former importance

This section is highly problematic.

"Both Hera and Demeter had many characteristic attributes of the former Great Goddess.[10] "

Mmm. The concept of a 'Great Goddess' in this sense is poorly attested at best. (And the link is a disambiguation page, none of whose options are particularly relevant.)

OK, there's a cite, but Burkett (see his article has some unusual opinions about early Greek religion (his interpretation of sacrifice for one).

The rest of this actually has very little to do with 'Hera's former importance' except *perhaps* as a rather stretched original synthesis.

Matriarchy -- ok, it *does* point out that the theory is basically nonsense, but isn't it a bit of undue weight to give two paragraphs to a decades-old, discredited idea? And the idea about 'hypothesizing a matrifocal society in its stead' seems like a feeble attempt to save this fatally flawed concept. Vultur (talk) 15:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Also, "At Olympia, Hera's seated cult figure was older than the warrior figure of Zeus that accompanied it." At first I thought, "wait, the statue of Zeus at Olympia was seated too"; but they mean the standing Zeus in the Temple of Hera (Olympia). So it now says "In the Temple of Hera at Olympia, Hera's seated cult figure etc.". Vultur (talk) 05:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

point out it is nonsense? Based on what? Writings from 40 years ago that don't address the latest findings and discoveries? Wow, the sexists really don't want this research coming out and are going out of their way to discredit it. Likely the same ones committing some of the sexist vandalism as well. 96.31.190.97 (talk) 00:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

I notice that some citations are to the worse-than-useless waste of paper, Barbara Walker's THE WOMAN'S ENCYCLOPEDIA OF MYTHS AND SECRETS, which would be more accurately titled THE WOMAN'S BOOK OF LIES AND GARBAGE--written by a well-intentioned but clueless author. --Valerie voigt (talk) 16:21, 12 December 2016 (UTC) Valerie Voigt

hateful sexist commentary that has no basis in fact or place on wikipedia. 96.31.190.97 (talk) 00:39, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

You know where good intentions lead. I am assuming this is Barbara G. Walker, the neo-pagan writer with an axe to grind. Dimadick (talk) 06:33, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments on Hera

In the Olympian pantheon of classical Greek Mythology, Hêra (World Book «HIHR uh») (Greek Ἥρα or Ἥρη) was the wife and sister of Zeus. She also presided as goddess of marriage, the patriarchal bond of her own subordination. (Slater 1968):-0

Hera is portrayed as being majestic and solemn, often enthroned and crowned with the polos, the high cylindrical crown worn by several of the Great Goddesses. In her hand she may bear the pomegranate, emblem of fertile blood and death and a substitute for the narcotic capsule of the opium poppy (Ruck and Staples 1994). "Nevertheless, there are memories of an earlier, aniconic representation, as a pillar in Argos and as a plank in Samos" (Burkert 1985 p.131).

In Roman mythology, the consort of Jupiter (Zeus) was Juno.

The name Hera (Ira / Ήρα) comes from the greek word hero (Iroas / Ήρωας).--87.202.138.117 06:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I've seen this too several places so the citation stating that her name isn't derived of greek eíther has to be cited, rewritten or removed, and no matter what the above has to be added to the article. What are thr orgins of hera?

I shall add the following more nuanced text to the article : "The name of Hera, the queen of the gods, admits a variety of mutually exclusive etymologies; one possibility is to connect it with hora, season, and to interpret it as ripe for marriage." So begins the section on Hera in Walter Burkert, Greek Mythology (1985), III.2.2 (p. 131). In a note he records other scholars' arguments "for the meaning Mistfdsgdsij djh hello whata re yoiu doung today then are you okay b=cuase i am. wubu2. dis sit need spicin up a lil. don u upgrade it or somink as a feminine to Heros, Master." Furthermore, A.J. van Windekens, in Glotta 36 (1958) pp 309-11, offers "young cow, heifer", which is consonant with Hera's common epithet boopis, "cow-eyed". E-ra appears in Mycenaean tablets." There's no substitute for having a source at hand, and fully reporting it. --Wetman 17:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

Vandalism

Someone added ignorant spoof-comments throughout the actual article. I do not know how to edit in wikipedia. Can someone address these? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.200.71 (talk) 16:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

This page needs closer adult supervision. It is vandalized daily.--Wetman 15:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

68.32.200.71: please sign yourself. I noticed the vandalism and recently notified EncMstr. Follow this link in case you want to leave a note for him on his discussion page: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:EncMstr#Vandalism.

ICE77 (talk) 00:03, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Comments on sources and punctuation

This article needs sources for the following passages:

1. "Some myths state that in the end , Hera befriended Heracles for saving her from Porphyrion"

2. "Some versions say Artemis helped her mother give birth to Apollo for nine days."

3. "Another variation is when Hera persuades Semele to force Zeus to show himself in his real form."

4. "Certain versions imply that Zeus gave Semele the heart to eat to impregnate her."

5. "Lamia was envious of other mothers and ate their children."

6. "An alternative and less commonly told story has it that Tiresias was blinded by Athena after he stumbled onto her bathing naked."

This passage needs a source and it could use better punctuation. I'm not sure about the implications in the last part of the sentence.

7. "Though Zeus is often called Zeus Heraios 'Zeus, (consort) of Hera', Homer's treatment of Hera is less than respectful"

This passage could use better punctuation.

8. "Zeus rescued the heart and gave it to Semele to impregnate her; or, the heart was saved, variously, by Athena, Rhea, or Demeter."

ICE77 (talk) 00:10, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Agrigento is in Sicily, not in Magna Graecia. Please, modify it in the photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.181.150.228 (talk) 12:45, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes Agrigento is in Sicily, but its also part of the Magna Graecia. Paul August ☎ 11:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Hera = Goddess of War = Baba Marta?

Hera = Хера = Гера = Guerre = Баба Марта = Goddess of War = Baba Marta

Първи март = First Day of March = The day of Hera

Martenitsa = The sign of Hera

The Iliad

I will be editing this portion of the article for a class and discussing Hera's role in The Iliad. I will be adding some of the appearances she made throughout the poem.

Hera

I am a college student editing this page for a class project. I mainly want to make the page easier to follow and check citations for the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssutaria (talk • contribs) 19:13, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ssutaria. It might help you to look at WP:MOSBOLD and WP:MOSHEADER - headers and subheaders aren't normally linked to other articles. You also have one very, very long linked header; far longer than needed. Plain text plus links would work fine for the progeny, imo, without the creation of single-name individual sections. Haploidavey (talk) 19:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)