Talk:Hemipenthes alba

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Revert name to H. albus

H. albus remains the valid spelling (see http://www.diptera.org/Nomenclator/Details/205521) until and unless it is corrected in a peer-reviewed journal. Nomenclatural changes should not be performed in a Wikipedia article. Moreover, from what I can tell, πένθος (pénthos) is neuter, so I do not believe an emendation to the name is warranted. Shawnbrescia (talk) 05:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 January 2025

It has been proposed in this section that Hemipenthes alba be renamed and moved to Hemipenthes albus.

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Hemipenthes alba → Hemipenthes albus – H. albus remains the valid spelling until and unless it is corrected in a peer-reviewed journal (as per the rules of biological nomenclature laid out by the ICZN). Nomenclatural changes should not be performed in a Wikipedia article. The sources in the article imply that WP:OR was used to name the species H. alba, since the ICZN reference does not discuss H. albus specifically, and was instead used to (incorrectly) justify the name change.

Refer to the following sources using H. albus:

Review of North American Hemipenthes (original description): https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261295840_A_Review_Of_The_North_American_Species_Of_Hemipenthes_Loew_1869_Diptera_Bombyliidae

Diptera nomenclature catalogue: http://www.diptera.org/Nomenclator/Details/205521

World catalogue of bee flies: http://hbs.bishopmuseum.org/bombcat/

The only source I can find that uses H. alba is the BioLib website, which changed the page after the Wikipedia article was created, suggesting WP:circular reporting.

Moreover, from what I can tell, πένθος (pénthos) is neuter, so I do not believe an emendation to the name is even warranted in the first place, even ignoring the other arguments outlined above.

I was unable to perform the move because of the redirect, and my technical move request was contested, though no specific argument was provided against my request. Shawnbrescia (talk) 04:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Shawnbrescia (talk) 22:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. As I'd said at technical move request (link above), the sources in the article itself suggest alba is WP:OR: the ICZN source cited says nothing about H. albus itself. My own searches on Google Scholar found the one source cited, Ávalos-Hernández 2009, for albus but absolutely nothing for alba. Thank you, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I found this which cites Ávalos-Hernández as author, but uses alba. Not exactly sure about that particular website though, just thought to put it here. Pinging @Cremastra as well. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bunnypranav The website you linked refers to a museum database record. Museum database records don’t work well as nomenclature sources, because it is likely an entomologist looked at the specimen, determined that it was H. albus, and added an identifying label to the specimen without bothering to check the precise spelling of the name. Such errors are common at museums. (I myself am guilty of doing so occasionally while curating museum specimens.) Shawnbrescia (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support correct name as I said at RMTR. Like the nom says, no specific argument was provided against my request. I asked Bunnypranav why it was better to do an RM, but they didn't respond at RMTR, so I'm still rather in the dark as to why this move is "controversial". Cremastra (u — c) 00:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]