Talk:Heinrich Thyssen

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Consider adding third marriage for Heinrich Thyssen's first son

Per NYT article, Henrik Gábor István Ágost Freiherr Thyssen-Bornemisza de Kászon et Impérfalva had a third marriage to Ingeborg Muller in 1946. However, I cannot find any other source supporting this. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/20/nyregion/baroness-birgit-thyssen-bornemisza.html?te=1&nl=the-morning&emc=edit_nn_20221021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.218.78.226 (talk) 14:44, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

The article is written in the present tense, it should be in the past AFAIK. Gryffindor 00:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 January 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved. All of the participants (both support and oppose) gave policy-based reasons for their decision, and ultimately more editors believed that common and concise naming was preferable to NCRAN. Number 5 7 19:32, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Heinrich, Baron Thyssen-Bornemisza de Kászon → Heinrich Thyssen – Common name. All other wikipedias use it. - üser:Altenmann >t 03:13, 17 January 2016 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 04:22, 25 January 2016 (UTC) Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:52, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support WP:CONCISE -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 10:07, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per NCRAN, it is not his common name, rather it is the simplest version of his name -- and Wikipedia has no reason to prefer simple over common when the two diverge, aside from the fact that he is covered by NCRAN. His baronial title is more often included in references to him than not, so exclusion of it makes the article title less rather than more common. Moreover, because his name and title are often confused, this article title has the advantage of being correct -- and can be found from any incorrect version by using links. FactStraight (talk) 18:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'm neutral as to whether his full name and/or title is left in, but whatever the title is it shouldn't be Heinrich, Baron Thyssen-Bornemisza de Kászon. We never use that form for German noblemen. If the title is going to be in there then either leaving it in the original as Heinrich Freiherr Thyssen-Bornemisza de Kászon or using the common Anglicisation for foreign noblemen as Baron Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza de Kászon would be better. Note that German Wikipedia just uses Heinrich Thyssen. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:57, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There seems to be some disagreement here about whether WP:NCRAN applies, and whether it is appropriate to apply the naming policy for British peers to nobility from other countries. Since this is effectively a test case for a matter of broad policy, might it be better to discuss the principles here at an RFC? That path should help establish a broader consensus and a more stable solution.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:59, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We often put first name then title for German & Austrian noblemen, rather than the reverse, when the article is about the head of the family, as it is in this case. Indeed, with princes, counts and barons, that is the only way to distinguish the pater familias from other family members in English, cf. Fürst and Prinz; the same principle applies to barons. FactStraight (talk) 03:36, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Seems to be the more common option in the sources.[1][2][3][4]. The current title returns only 41 Google Books hits, though he is a well known figure.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:26, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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