Talk:Heart Scotland

Merger proposal

May I suggest merging this page with Real Radio Scotland? I don't see much point in creating separate articles for radio stations under their previous guises and formats (far too much overlap for a start) when as proved with entries on other stations (e.g. Heart Gloucestershire and Heart Wiltshire), they can be explained far more easily within a single page. As such, we are talking about a rebranded station rather than an all new station, aren't we? Hughpugh 23:01, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Im open to this merge, but not until May 5 ;) Part of the main reason why I only created a Heart Scotland and not the rest, is the page is in better shape than most others. Actually many of the heart and real radio pages are pretty bad, content wise. Im hopeful we will get a good number of editors to talk about this before a merger. --Crazyseiko (talk) 18:13, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Two other pages have ended up being created, I get the feeling you will want to merge them. Actually wouldnt it also be a good idea to meger the 4 station around this one aswell https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Gem_106 --Crazyseiko (talk) 22:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

We want Heart Scotland to excist not Real

I suggest that Real Radio Scotland should merge to Heart Scotland, and NOT the other way round. I want Heart Scotland article to exist on the 6 of May 2014 and NOT Real Radio (as everybody else does). After all its Real Radio thats becoming Heart on this date. I personaly think we should be disgust this in a proper manner. History in the Real Radio Scotland will be rewritten in the new Heart Scotland article, once the re-brand is completed. Yes I very much agree that Real Scotland article is better than most other Real Radio articles, but we want the best of both worlds don't we? Why create a new article in the first place when there's a radio station rebrand, when could move the article name?

Like this: (Specialdude57 moved page Real Radio Scotland to Heart Scotland (Station rebrand)). 

That would then save all the trouble. Crazyseiko when you log in you'll notice there's a "move" button at the top of the page. Just click onto it and follow the pomts. Simple.Specialdude57 (talk) 15:31, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

New refs?

http://news.stv.tv/west-central/294700-real-radio-owners-to-make-news-staff-redundancies/

The owners of Real Radio have announced they will make a number of news journalists at their Scottish stations redundant. GMG Radio, which also owns Smooth Radio and Real Radio XS, confirmed on Monday that it is conducting a "full review" of its news staff. Currently, 39 staff and freelance journalists are employed by the group across the UK, with nine of those posts based in Scotland. The definite number of those being made redundant is not yet known.

GMG Radio’s chief executive Stuart Taylor said: "GMG Radio’s award-winning news team has set new standards in commercial radio journalism during the last ten years and our stations will continue to provide a high calibre of news programming that is relevant to the listener.

"The decision to reduce what has been an extremely well-staffed team has been an incredibly difficult one but if we are to remain commercially competitive during these tough economic times then we have to ensure that we are operating as efficiently as possible.

"We don’t anticipate that the planned staffing changes will impact materially on the overall listener experience."

The radio division of the Guardian Media Group is based in Salford Quays, Manchester, and has a Scottish office for its three stations in Baillieston, in the east end of Glasgow. At the moment, the newsrooms provide coverage for Real Radio and Smooth Radio in the evenings and during weekend afternoons. The redundancies will see the stations use external news services to provide bulletins outside peak programming hours. Earlier this year GMG re-branded Rock Radio as Real Radio XS.

1. Best years behide it==

http://www.allmediascotland.com/broadcasting/19007/real-radio-scotlands-best-days-behind-it-claims-interview-with-former-presenter-robin-galloway/ Real Radio Scotland's 'Best Days Behind it', claims Interview with Former Presenter, Robin Galloway The best days of one of Scotland's biggest commercial radio stations are behind it, according to one of its former presenters.

In an interview published by Radio Today, Clyde 1's Robin Galloway also agreed with the suggestion that his departure from rival, Real Radio Scotland, was a factor in its subsequent loss of listeners, as measured recently by audit body, RAJAR.

Galloway was dismissed by Real last year after one of his regular pranks – involving Labour leader, Ed Milliband – didn't go down well with bosses. He had dared producer Barrie Hodge to streak past a studio where Miliband was being interviewed.

During the interview, he is asked: “You were at Real for just over ten years and over that time it's gone from strength to strength. The [RAJAR] figures last week show it's lost some audience – do you think that's down to your departure?”

He is quoted, saying: “There's a big loyalty factor in Scotland and I do honestly believe that the audience thought I was hard done by, and I think that has showed up in the figures. They've never had a two-point drop in percentage reach before – they've gone from 25 to 23. In 2007, we were at 31, so that's an implosion, if I'm being honest.

“It's funny when you cross the divide [from Real to Clyde] and go to the other side you can then see some of the inherent mistakes that've been made. I'm not about to tell you what those are because my former employers are now my opposition and I bear no ill-will whatsoever, especially the on-air team because I'm very close to them and fond of them. But I think the halcyon days for the brand are very much in the past now.”

When further asked: “Do you think they [Real] guessed you'd end up on Clyde, being their opposition?”, he replies: “Probably not. No I don't think so because Real and Clyde was always the never-the-twain shall meet – a bit like Rangers and Celtic.”

Later in the interview, he is asked: “What's your plan for the show at Clyde – do you want to be there for ten years? There's talk of networking in daytimes across Scotland – is that something you'd want to be involved in?”

He is again quoted, saying: “At the moment Bauer's policy is certainly to keep it live and local for the major dayparts and the only networking is a little bit at weekends and obviously Romeo and In Demand. I can't see that policy changing in the immediate future. You mentioned ten years – I certainly haven't signed a ten-year contract. They don't exist any more – I think the last person to get one of those was Chris Tarrant.

“I'm with them for two years and who knows what that will lead to. It's all anecodatal evidence – and we all know that you live or die by your ratings and you have to wait until they come out – but so far, so good. They're very loyal in Glasgow and the West and there were a few eyebrows raised when I did make the crossing from Real to Clyde because the two are rivals and arch enemies if you like, so all the things we'd said to the audience on Real obviously doesn't count for anything now. So there was some form of acceptance required from the Clyde listener, and nice to take some of the guys who used to listen to me before with me also.”

Real Radio Scotland's owners, GMG Radio, declined to comment.

News details

This will return on Tuesday 6th May if it still the same, I cant see why it could change.

Heart Scotland produces and broadcasts locally-produced news bulletins on the hour during the day with additional headline bulletins during weekday breakfast and drivetime shows at 30 minutes past the hour. Variations of these bulletins also air on sister stations 105.2 Smooth Radio in Glasgow and XFM Scotland with minor changes to suit the target audiences. Overnight between 11pm and 5am the station carries Sky News Radio bulletins provided by IRN in London.

Heather Kane is the head of news for GMG Radio's Scottish stations, assisted by Corrie Martin.

I imagine things will be a little different compared to now, but it remains to be seen. On a positive note, pleased to see a cleaner, more streamlined approach to such Wiki pages. Hughpugh 13:46, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

It seems there a very high chance this news process will continue. At least pages have ended up where most people wanted them to do so. Of course a number of pages are missing details but hopeful most of the gaps will be plugged. I do believe some of the other pages will need to be refined wee bit. --Crazyseiko (talk) 15:00, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Smooth is still taking the same news. Also a new Weekday 10min Bulletin will be broadcast at 18.45, I dare say to cover its licence agreement. --Crazyseiko (talk) 08:42, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Ratings and the decline

New details have appeared which will hopeful be placed in shortly

Real Radio Scotland

• Q3: 2013: Scotland 10.8%
• Q4: 2013: Scotland 10%
• Q1: 2014: Scotland 7.70% ( Jan- March, a month before the relaunch.)

http://www.rajar.co.uk/listening/quarterly_listening.php

Steve McKenna Moves On

I agree with information being added, maybe we should we wait until the trade papers or National pres do something to give it better sources etc. I do think the section added by ‎Karaokemac, is a bit overloading and could be better stated. Robin Galloway departure does not have its own section. --Crazyseiko (talk) 14:55, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• With all due respect, it's far too much fuss over a departure of a weekend presenter. A simple line is all that's needed, as per Heart's local presenters on weekdays were retained with weekend presenter Steve McKenna leaving the station in July 2014, for example. Hughpugh 16:46, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• • I was hopping "Karaokemac" would have talked here about this, as I said not even robin got his own section but we want to make sure enough details are provide without going overboard. I would like to see "due to creative differences." being added back in and if the pres speak to him we get a simple quote which would balancing the page. --Crazyseiko (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• • • Evidently not. Hughpugh 23:45, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• • • • I feel it best to be deleted. The author has not responded to your requests and has accused the IP editor of 'erroneous edits' in a rude, forthright manner. This sort of overspun conjecture and oneupmanship needs to be avoided. Hughpugh 00:08, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• • • • • Alas your right, It seems none of the trade papers have pick this up either, I will be adding " due to creative differences." back in as it clearly was the case. --Crazyseiko (talk) 11:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Ewen has also left

It seems Ewen has also now left the station, If a decent ref come up etc then yes, but I think its a BIT early to start adding anything about this just yet. --Crazyseiko (talk) 13:49, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Old presenters

I can understand wiki does not want to include every sinlge person but come in some of the people form the old list are not even include in the shortern down list. Come one Melanie Sykes, she was not a notice presneter since she was on Top 40 network show for a few year, YET Steve McKenna, with the station for 8 years and had one of the highest rated show no mention?

Kate Thornton (The Feel Good Forum on Sunday early evenings. 6 weeks she was on air? yet because she has a wiki page get a mention. Yet Lynne Hoggan, Micky Gavin, Dougie Jackson who were with the company for years all get knocked out...

• Micky Gavin (now at Tay FM)
• Lynne Hoggan (now at Tay FM)
• Nick Abbot (now at LBC)
• Jenny Farrish (now station voiceover and relief presenter on Smooth Radio)
• Ewen Cameron
• Dougie Jackson
• Dave Knight ( Now at Castle FM 98.8 )
• Bill Young
• Brian Woolfson (now at Central FM)
• James Toy
• Tom Wilson
• Ray Daniels
• Willie Docherty
• Graham Stewart
• Joe Kilday (now at Central FM)
• Shereen Tulloch
• Jonathan Harper
• Kieron Elliott
• John Burns
• Gary Davies (Gary Davies' Real Album Chart)
• Melanie Sykes (The A List)
• Nick Snaith (The A List)
• Colin McAllister and Justin Ryan
• Wes Butters (now at BBC Leeds)
• Steve Jordan (now at 96.9 Viking FM)
• David Ditchfield (now at Silk 106.9)
• Paul Salt (now at BBC Radio Merseyside)
• Alan Rough (now at Central FM)
• Derek Johnstone (The Real Radio Football Phone In)
• Peter Martin (now at Central FM)
• Cat Cubie
• Ross Macfadyen (now at BBC Radio Scotland)
• Fraser Thomson
• Oli Kemp (now at Heart North Wales)
• Ryan Seacrest (continues at On Air with Ryan Seacrest)
• Helen Sweetland
• Kate Thornton (The Feel Good Forum on Sunday early evenings)[35]
• Dave Miller
• Rich Clarke (now at Heart Solent)
• Elisa Hilton
• Darren Parks (now at Smooth North West)
• David Heane
• Marc Henry
• Jason King
• Jo Lloyd (now at Smooth North West)
• Debbie Mac (now at Heart North West)
• Graeme Smith (now at Capital North West and Wales)
• Carl Spencer
• Steve McKenna

Wikipedia is not a directory or a media guide. Sources are needed to show individuals on lists are notable. Without sources or their own articles we do not know they are notable and it would be original research to include them. Further, including them may be WP:BLP violations. There may be a social media page, or the company may have a web page, where full lists could be posted if thought suitable.SovalValtos (talk) 08:27, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I can understand why you culled the list down but even still some of the people you left on where not noticeable but were keep as you say because there have a page. I try and find some sources for the people I put back in who did work and were noticeable. --Crazyseiko (talk) 15:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you User:Crazyseiko for looking for sources. I was once pointed in the direction of WINC (AM), a featured article which could be a good example of how to deal with presenters. No attempt to make a list of them all, just mentions of some notable ones. After all the article is about the radio station, not the presentersSovalValtos (talk) 13:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC)