Talk:Hazza Al Mansouri

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Hazza Al Mansouri at Frankfurt Book Fair 2018

Is this the astronaut? --NearEMPTiness (talk) 13:42, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

NearEMPTiness, I don't think so. I did some research and the image depicted here is basically the only available from him. Erick Soares3 (talk) 22:41, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

I found another image with the both UAE astronauts. Someone with a better eye could compare this image with the image above? Erick Soares3 (talk) 23:31, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

NearEMPTiness Here have images from both astronauts with flight suit - "Courtesy Dubai Media Office" Erick Soares3 (talk) 15:43, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing the link. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 16:28, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome!! Erick Soares3 (talk) 19:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 18 August 2019

Please note that there is a requested move discussion in progress that affects this page and may result in a change of its title. The discussion is found at Talk:Sultan Al Neyadi. Please participate in the discussion there, not here, so that the discussion can take place in a centralized manner. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:33, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Astronaut

NASA mentions him as a space traveller or space flight participant but I haven't noticed they called him as astronaut. Almuhammedi (talk) 00:35, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Almuhammedi: He is an astronaut since he's past beyond the 80/100km mark. Space flight participant is a term used when the astronaut only stays for a short period of time (like 8 days) in space without making part of a full 6 months Expedition (I heard the narrator explaining that some times during the NASA TV transmission). Some similar cases are from Marcos Pontes, Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor and Yi So-yeon. Erick Soares3 (talk) 20:30, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

"Spaceflight Participant: Spaceflight participants are individuals (e.g. commercial, scientific and other programs; crewmembers of non-partner space agencies, engineers, scientists, teachers, journalists, filmmakers or tourists) sponsored by one or more partner(s). Normally, this is a temporary assignment that is covered under a short-term contract." Principles Regarding Processes and Criteria for Selection, Assignment, Training and Certification of ISS (Expedition and Visiting) Crewmembers. Since the Mohammed bin Rashid Space Centre isn't an ISS partner (like the Agência Espacial Brasileira or the Korean Astronaut Program) at time of his flight, he is an "spaceflight participant" and a "astronaut" (general term), but not an "Professional Astronaut/Cosmonaut" that is "an individual who has completed the official selection and has been qualified as such at the space agency of one of the ISS partners and is employed on the staff of the crew office of that agency." Erick Soares3 (talk) 20:38, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

From NASA itself: "Hazzaa Ali Almansoori is an astronaut representing the United Arab Emirates Space Agency. The term “spaceflight participant” is used to differentiate him from long-duration crew members that are trained to serve on Expeditions aboard the International Space Station. NASA astronauts like Jessica Meir go through two years of training to develop skills in five major areas – International Space Station systems, spacewalking, robotics, jet training, and Russian language. Because they have shorter missions and more limited responsibilities, spaceflight participants undertake more limited training. Hazzaa Ali Almansoori will be aboard the space station for 8 days before returning to Earth." Erick Soares3 (talk) 23:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Your link goes to a text describing him as spaceflight participant. Note the difference in the description: "This week’s arrival of astronaut Jessica Meir, cosmonaut Oleg Skripochka and spaceflight participant Hazzaa Ali Almansoori". --mfb (talk) 00:21, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

If you read down slightly from that first post you'll see one by NASA in response to Wyatt Early who asked "What exactly is the distinction between an astronaut/cosmonaut and a 'space flight participant?'" --AussieLegend (✉) 07:10, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I think we have the problem of two different descriptions here. For the UAE he is an astronaut (at least they didn't come up with yet another name for that profession), but from NASA's point of view he is a spaceflight participant, what exactly Russia says we don't know. That would make his job an astronaut, but his current flight a spaceflight participant mission? --mfb (talk) 00:24, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

That's correct. He is an astronaut who is a spaceflight participant on this mission. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:10, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

He was selected as the first astronaut from his country by his country's specific space program as documented by reliable sources. He is not part of expidition 61 but has his own mission called UAE Astronaut mission 1 as seen on the patch he is wearing which is different from NASA's expidition 61 patch. Hence he is an astronaut just not part of the expidition, which is why NASA is calling him spaceflight participant. 208.97.124.178 (talk) 07:49, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Mfb, AussieLegend, and 208.97.124.178:, In this Roscosmos article he is described as an "spaceflight participant" (UAE astronaut in his Roscosmos bio), but we fall in the different descriptions from UAE and NASA/Roscosmos as Mfb said. Well, in the Yi So-yeon and Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor articles have this "Terminology" section that I think could work out in Hazza's case. What do you guys think? And someone knows if exist enough sources in English or Arabian for an article about the "UAE Astronaut mission 1"? Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:11, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Eric. I think it would be appropriate to add that he was called a spaceflight participant as mentioned by NASA in a terminology section as you mentioned. In regards to UAE Astronaut mission 1, I have been following closely with the UAE's space program and the other UAE's Astronaut Sultan Al Neyadi is expected to go on a mission of his own, probably a year from now till he fullfills his training. There's also a rumor of him being part of an expidition and hence why he'll fly in a later date. In a televised speech between Hazza and the UAE leaders, their leaders said in Arabic that he is the "first one, but there's a lot more who will follow in his footsteps up to space" and "he's expected to come back and transfer his experience to the others expected to go to the ISS, which will include females" or something like that, referring to UAE Astronauts. His Twitter handle is astro_hazza and he's been hailed by other Astronauts like Chris Hadfield of being the "First Emirati Astronaut".. there's plenty of sources of this statements in Arabic in their media. I'm not sure if this information is helpful. Thank you 208.97.124.178 (talk) 13:56, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi @208.97.124.178:! I did this Terminology section with some sources that I think should help in making this clear. Is really nice to see that this isn't going to be an one time adventure (as happened here in Brazil). But in the Arabic world have sources about his mission/experiments for an "mission article"? Would be interesting if the people from Arabic Wikipedia could work something about that, to then translate into English. The only thing I didn't understand here in the English article is the Statistics section with basically the same thing as the infobox. Erick Soares3 (talk) 16:31, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I removed the Statistics yesterday because it duplicates what the infobox already does.Erick Soares3 (talk) 14:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Plagiarism?

In early life section it says "In his childhood, Hazza loved exploring and watching stars and meteors on dark nights in the desert of Liwa where he spent most of his childhood. He dreamed of being a pilot and loved to read about airplanes and space trips." This seems to have been copied from this source[1] could be the source copying from Wikipedia.--SharabSalam (talk) 09:49, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

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Article move?

I see this was discussed previously, but nothing came of it, as the sources were still all over the place at the time. More of the sources used in this article have since switched to using the spelling "Hazzaa AlMansoori". Additionally, this individual's Instagram and Twitter accounts use this spelling, as does the FCC database, which uses the spelling submitted by the individual. I am not incredibly familiar with the wiki, but I believe the sources here should be updated to match their current titles, and the article potentially moved to the new spelling of the name, now that some of the initial confusion has cleared up. --2600:1700:4BEE:2100:7184:79A6:48DC:5021 (talk) 18:29, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I have moved the article back to the common spelling used WP:Commonname; if we want to move to another spelling, this needs to be done via a requested move. Lectonar (talk) 06:50, 7 September 2023 (UTC)