Talk:Haya people

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Steel Making

I think this aspect of the article could use expansion and rewriting. If anyone has good refs please let me know. Colincbn (talk) 06:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree. I have just converted the text to in-line referencing, partly to eliminate two citations with inappropriate syntax. I was also looking for referneces.

• Time cites an article in the then currnet issue of Science (i.e. about Sept. 1978).
• Googling led me to a review of Peter Schmidt, Iron Technology in East Africa: symboolim, Science and archaeology (Oxford: James Currey 1997). Amazon has some modestly proced copies of this for sale.
• It also led to a web article that cited Shore, Debra. Steel making in Ancient Africa. (no further details)

I fear that I do not have time to follow this up at the moment. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I can heavily expand on this section of the article as I personally know Dr. Peter Schmidt (I have studied under him) and have access to a huge array of his papers and books for sources. Hovikk (talk) 05:13, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

• I'm sceptical of the claim that this was before Europeans started making quality steel. Any objective comparison with, say, Noric steel, shich is slightly over 2000 years old as well? 93.103.55.68 (talk) 10:41, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Haya people/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 08:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I will post my comments soon. Cheers, Sainsf (talk · contribs) 08:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

• No copyvio concerns, dablinks, broken external links
• Quite a few duplinks, check them using this tool

fixed

• Sourcing and citations: Decent and well-formatted overall. A few things:

• In refs (like #3), basically foreign language sources, include the |trans-title= and |language= parameters

not sure I can or should translate the Swahili titles, but I can add the language parameter

Okay if you are not sure of the translations then just add the language parameter

• I see a few lines at the end of some paragraphs that lack inline citations.

working on this

Comments on prose

• The lead should be expanded to at least 2 or 3 good paragraphs summarizing all the major aspects of the article

I've expanded the lede - not sure it needs additional expansion since the article itself isn't that long, but let me know what you think

No, the lead needs to be expanded way more (to three paras in my opinion), look at MOS:LEADLENGTH. And the overall article has not been summarized well in the lead. Sainsf (t · c) 18:46, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

• Citations should not be there in the lead. All facts in the lead must be mentioned in the main body

working on this

• In places the foreign terms have not been italicized

fixed

• the term Bahaya (fisher-people) Which language does it come from? Say something like (xyz for 'fisher-people') where xyz is the language.

fixed

• What is "AD C"?

fixed

• Maybe link iron smelting

linked

• In the history section, the first para which does not come under any subheading should ideally go into Early history. It is not something before early history after all, or a summary of the section.

moved as requested

• Not sure why 'century' should be abbreviated to 'c.'

that's pretty standard in archaeology but I've changed it

• A link for 'Oral history' would be good, I did not get it at first.

fixed

• Link Tanganyika .. preferably mention its connection to the modern day Tanzania

linked

• New Moon ceremonies Shouldn't new moon be in sentence case?

fixed

• 1300 to 1400 °C Convert template

I'm not sure what this means? How do I fix this?

Use Template:Convert to give conversion to Fahreheit in brackets

• Say either "M grass" or "M. grass"

fixed

• Captions shouldn't have "|". Use commas instead

fixed

• I think you should expand TZ

fixed

• In Agriculture and foodways, listing like (n) where n is a number should not be used mid-text.

fixed

• Uganda-Tanzanian War section could do with some expansion if possible. Not sure how the last line is relevant to the section.

moved war section to history, deleted last line

• One more issue I noticed, per WP:IMGSIZE one should not generally set custom sizes for images or videos, just leave them at "thumb". Sainsf (t · c) 18:46, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

A nice, comprehensive article on the whole but needs some work before promotion. Cheers, Sainsf (talk · contribs) 18:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ninafundisha: Hi, you have not responded since nearly a week of this review. I will have to fail this due to inactivity if you don't respond soon. I will wait another 3 days. Cheers, Sainsf (knock knock · am I there?) 07:01, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sainsf: I'm so sorry - I had gotten a notification that somebody was going to work on the GA review, but I had no idea that it had been completed. I'll work on these edits in the next few days. Thanks so much. Ninafundisha (talk) 11:57, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ninafundisha: Hi, I see you've made some edits to the article but please explain them under the points listed here so that we can go ahead with the review smoothly. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 16:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, will do. Still working on edits. Ninafundisha (talk) 16:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ninafundisha: All done? Please update asap. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 16:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Failing due to inactivity, the nominator has not edited in 2 weeks. Sainsf (t · c) 13:50, 1 June 2020 (UTC)