Talk:Hawk MM-1

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July 2018

Besides about 3-4 photos online absolutely nothing exists on this gun, why! WHY! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.170.143 (talk) 05:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's some stuff out there; [1], [2], [3] & [4]. Field & Stream had a movie Q&A about it, and there's even a couple of them for sale on Gunbroker and Armslist. Certainly more info than a couple of IMDb cites. Perhaps even enough to stave of deletion... - ^theWOLFchild 23:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete?

Should the page be deleted? The only source listed is another site with no sources. There has never been a single case of the MM-1 being used by any military ever. "HawkEngineering Co" makes RVs and "Special Forces of USA" is not a thing. There's no pictures of it in use, no ex-SF guy has ever mentioned it, nothing.

I have an email out to a Hawk Industries that owns a patent done by Rogark, but I don't expect to get anything. There is one source for the MM-1 ever existing, and that is the single example used in a few movies.--MandolinMagi (talk) 02:02, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, because it's clearly WP:NOTABLE. However (and your enquiries would be most useful) it might need reworking as a fictional weapon.

~~BTW - is this the same weapon which appeared, much earlier, in The Dogs of War (film, if not book)?~~ Andy Dingley (talk) 21:41, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also, what's that sight tube above the barrel? No way is that useful for any sort of grenade launcher! I'm inclining more and more to the "purely fictional" Andy Dingley (talk) 21:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Andy Dingley: Is that a "sight tube"? Or part of the frame? Below is just clearance space for the magazine to rotate. Just an observation. - wolf 21:40, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See my post above for more refs. FYI - ^theWOLFchild 23:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Taken from my comments in the AFD: There are mentions in The New Encyclopedia of Handguns by Chris Chant, Counter-Terrorism Equipment by Ian V. Hogg & Ray Hutchins and Jane's Infantry Weapons 1991-92 (in which it stated it was in service with special forces in the USA as well as in Africa and Central America). There is also an advert for it from Hawk engineering Inc in Jane's Defence Weekly of 1998. Might be useful for someone looking to clean up this article - Dumelow (talk) 20:25, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]