Talk:Haryanvi language

Page existance

Does Haryanvi need a seperate page for itself? Can't this be folded into the dialects page for Hindi?

This page is about Bangaru dialect somebody named it Haryanvi by mistake the word Haryana did not exist in common etymology until 1966 when it(Bangaru region) was carved out of Punjab and given the name Haryana. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.76.44 (talk) 02:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Bangaru redirects here. Haryanvi seems to be more popular name, that's why the page is located here. utcursch | talk 14:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Haryanvi language template

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Discussion about Haryanvi history

Dear Utcursch,

If you have read history, then please recall that Proto-Indo-Aryans lived in North West part of the subcontinent. How far is what we need to judge. The judgement is pretty much in Haryanvi's favor when we realize that Punjabi is too far removed from the rest of the western Indian languages like Marathi, Gujarati, Rajasthani and Haryanvi (including other western Hindi dialects as well). Now Kanauji, we know for sure developed from Haryanvi when Harshvardhana captured Kannauj taking his army from Thanesar (Haryana). Haryanvi is like the water-shed point. West of it, it interacts with Punjabi and we see with other Indo-European languages as well. On the East, it interacts with almost all Hindi complex languages from Braj Bhasha to Awadhi to Bundeli and Marathi etc.122.169.41.252 (talk) 11:02, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

All this is just utter nonsense and nothing more. Maquahuitl^talk! 16:32, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Dear Anonymous User, Haryanvi is a relatively modern language -- it refers to the dialect of Hindi that is spoken in what is called Haryana today. "Haryanvi" doesn't refer to all the langauges that were spoken in what is now called Haryana in the ancient times. It wasn't spoken in the times of Harshavardhana. Have a look at articles like Apabhramsha and Prakrit to educate yourself. Marathi is derived from Maharashtri Prakrit -- the similarities are due to the common Indo-Aryan heritage. The ancestry of Hindi languages such as Braj Bhasha can be traced to Shauraseni Prakrit. Like Maquahuitl said above, all your stuff is original research. The part about Finnish and Indo-European languages Latin etc. is ridiculously wrong. Citing a few words as example is not "sufficient proof" -- you can connect any two languages in world by giving examples of a few words that have a similar sound. Please don't add it back without backing it up with reliable sources. I'll stop removing your text if you can provide solid references -- have a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources. If you've a new theory connecting Haryanvi and Finnish, please try to get it published in a journal or post it on your blog -- Wikipedia is not the place for publishing original research. utcursch | talk 12:43, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Utcursch, the salient features of the language should be allowed to stay on the page. I understand that you have an issue with the history that was being retold but many language pages on wikipedia do showcase some of the special words or features of the language. So, kindly allow me to add the various similarities with Marathi, Latin, Finnish and English back to the page. We would refrain from making judgmental statements but we must also realize that similar sounding words having the same meaning is more than a "sheer coincidence"112.79.128.144 (talk) 06:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Utcursch, when you talk about "apabhramsha" and "prakrit", you must realize that they were like current-day Hindi, i.e., written standard forms of their times. Spoken forms do not change as easily as written forms do. That is why, you must realize that even though you think Marathi developed from Maharashtri Prakrit and Haryanvi from Shuraseni, the spoken forms may have been much closer historically. This is borne out by striking similarities between Haryanvi and Ahirani (North Maharashtra dialect) spoken forms till date. If your understanding was perfect, we would have very dissimilar spoken forms since the two (Haryanvi and Ahirani) developed from different "apabhramsha" forms. 114.31.162.26 (talk) 17:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Whatever be the case, this is just an original research. No point in putting logic forth. Maquahuitl^talk! 03:34, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

What Maquahuitl said: Find a reliable reference that supports your claim, and we've no problem with your additions. utcursch | talk 08:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Sample sentences

The article says the language uses Devanagari script and Nagari script. The sample sentences are in Latin script, which is easier to sound out for English readers, but the native script should also be shown for comparison. -- Beland (talk) 00:42, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Wrong title

Haryanavi is not a language. Correct it. Kirtimaansyal (talk) 14:49, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Reverted move

@Kwamikagami: I saw that after someone moved this to Haryanvi, you moved it back, saying the reason for the first move was spurious. Why was it spurious? Anyway, take a look at Talk:Yiddish#Requested move 16 October 2015 for the discussion that just led to the move Yiddish language → Yiddish. The key was WP:NCLANG. If "Haryanvi" means the language, then does the same rationale that was applied for Yiddish not apply for Haryanvi? —Largo Plazo (talk) 23:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't mean the language, it means anything of Haryana, including the people. A quick check of GBooks shows that the language is far from the only use of the word. — kwami (talk) 23:21, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Dialects of Haryanvi

Dear all,

A. Proposed changes
I am proposing the following two:

1. Languages of Haryana: capture all major languages spoken in Haryana, including the ones that are not the dialects of Haryanvi language, e.g. Bagri language or Brij in Faridabad, Ahirawati in Ahirawal and so on. Include languages that might have been spoken historically but extinct.
2. Expand the current Haryanvi language article to include the sample words, history of its development, relationship with other languages, and various dialects of haryanvi (Bangaru/bangru/jatu, Deswali/Hariani, Khadar dialect).

I will attempt these as and when I have time. Help welcome, go ahead.

B. Sources dump for starting the research:

1. Prof K. C. Yadav identified six variants of Hindi used in Haryana.They are
   

1.1. Bangru, also called Jatu or Haryanavi. “It is a form of Western Hindi, influenced in its vocabulary by Khari Hindi, Urdu and at places even Punjabi". My Note: later it has been further subdivided as Banagaru (dialect) and Khadir (dialect).
1.2. Ambalavi dialect, spoken in the districts of Ambala and Panchkula; 1.3. Brij or Braja, spoken in a limited area of Palwal tehsil in Faridabad district; 1.4. Ahirwati, spoken in the districts of Rewari, Mahendragarh, a part of Gurgaon and a small part of Bhiwani; 1.5. Mewati, spoken in the district of Mewat and some parts of Faridabad and Gurgaon; and 1.6. Bagri, a form of Rajasthani, spoken in some parts of Hisar and Sirsa adjoining Rajasthan and some parts of Loharu and Dadri tehsils of Bhiwani district.

1. Sources collage-1: Based on these sources (har1, har2, har3, har4, A Rose), please go ahead and create the articles for the additional language/dialects of Haryana:
2. Banagaru (dialect) / Bangaru (dialect) / Bangru (dialect) / Hariani of Bangar region, Haryana (Census of India: Paper - Issue 1 - Page 73), main and proper dialect of Haryanvi. Mainly spoken by Des (later arrival) people who arrived after Chalisa famine in late 18th century, Deswal are original inhabitants at least since 13th/14th century or earlier) living in Bangar area. (source: ban1),
3. Khadar (dialect) / Khaddar (dialect) / Khadir (dialect) / Jaatu (dialect), dialect of people living in Khadar low flood lands of yamuna in eastern haryana north of Delhi, examples of speakers include Rors of Sonipat-Panipat-Karnal belt
4. Deswali (dialect) / Deshwali (dialect) / Desari (dialect) (source: census of India 1961, in Hisar, Sirsa and Bhiwani it is called Deshwali, or Deshari; in Rohtak and Sonepat it is usually called Jatu; ), a dialect spoken in Deswal (region) (in central Haryana, such as Rohtak, Sonipat, Jhajjar, parts of Jind and even Hisar, sources: gaz1, deswal and bagri belts, reg1, deswal belt2, deswal belt 3, ) by Deswali (people) such as Deswal gotra of jats
5. Imperial Gazetteer of India - Volume 25 - Page 55, Sir William Wilson Hunter, ‎James Sutherland Cotton, ‎Sir Richard Burn - 1909, "Bangru, or Deshwali, dialect of Punjabi, spoken in Hissar, xiii. 148; Jind State, xiv."
6. Modern Haryana: History and Culture, 1803-1966 - Page 244, Kripal Chandra Yadav - 2002, Bangru This is an important dialect spoken by a large number of people.3 Its area is bounded by the district of Ambala in ... it is called Deshwali, or Deshari; in Rohtak and Sonepat it is usually called Jatu; and in the rest of the area it is Bangru,
7. Bangar or highlands lying between the Khadir of the Jamuna on the east and the Hisar-Sirsa tract on the west. The language is variously known in different parts as Bangaru, Jatu or Haryanavi. In Haryana it is called, appropriately enough, Deswali or Desari…

222.165.9.81 (talk) 22:27, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism since Jan

There has been considerable vandalism in this page since Jan. These ppl are removing Haryanvi being dialect of Western Hindi, instead they are adding Haryanvi being East Punjabi. Among other things.

Please take note of this problem : @Fylindfotberserk:, @संन्यासी:, @Arjayay:. 117.213.166.139 (talk) 07:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Calling it a dialect of East Punjabi is laughable. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)