Talk:Harry Hay

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Gleeanon blocked as pedophile advocate sock

The Gleenanon account is now once again indef-blocked as part of a massive sock drawer.

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Benjiboi/Archive.

Gleeanon409 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Noting he blanked his past pedophile advocacy on this talk page before returning here with the Gleeanon sock to start it again. As he was evading an indef-block with the Gleenaon account, any of his disruption in the articles or on talk can be deleted, by anyone, without discussion. I was about to do so, but it may be useful to have some of this crap up on talk for the record, as he's already returned with additional socks. I still may delete some of his obscene and absurd talk page rantings, and just leave a link for anyone following up. Or if someone else wants to, feel free. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 00:36, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing the archive, Crossroads. You're right, it is the better way. Just in case. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 00:57, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. Better to keep documentation of his lies and disruption, but have the discussions "closed" in the archives. And I see in Archive 2 he was pushing for the same POV under the Sportfan5000 account. When you said "he's already returned with additional socks", do you mean there have been additional socks since Gleeanon409? Crossroads ^-talk- 01:00, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If I had looked more closely at Sportfan at the time, who was the one I had in the back of my mind as the same person, we could have nipped all of this in the bud. It's so damn obvious. Gleeanon was quacking, but I just hadn't taken enough time with it. He had archived this talk page to hide his tracks, and I forgot to follow up right then. I haven't looked through the whole Dec update to the SPI; I just saw that there have been concerns and suspects. Well, even if those didn't/don't pan out, there will be more. He doesn't seem capable of stopping. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 01:06, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Gleeanon409 did set up the archive bot, first thing: [1] Sneaky. And original Benjiboi was also at the page: [2] I don't doubt he'll be back someday, perhaps years later again. Crossroads ^-talk- 01:15, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Henry "Harry" Hay

@QueenofBithynia: I think the MOS:NICKNAME policy under "Nicknames", with examples Tina Fey and Magic Johnson et al, is clear that this is the proper form for the lede. I am unaware of "Harry" being "the normal nickname for Henry", as you assert, so I have to think that others are unaware of this "normal" state of events as well. If you're going to revert-war over this, you at the very least need to convince others that there's consensus for this change, and put the bio subject's name, that the article is under, and the only one he published under (AFAIK), back into the lede in some form. Otherwise, this is just disruptive editing. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 22:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Harry is a normal English nickname for Henry, as Jack is for John. Yes, there may be English speakers who are unaware of these facts, but MOS:NICKNAMES is very clear on this. This is not the proper form for the lead in these cases - as I say, and the guideline states, Bill Gates does not start out "William Henry "Bill" Gates III" - which is the equivalent of what this article is doing by saying "Henry "Harry" Hay Jr.". QueenofBithynia (talk) 22:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than criticize readers for "being unaware of these facts", we need to remember that Wikipedia is written for the general reader. The pages should be readable and user-friendly. The connection here is not as clear as Bill/William. Unless we gain consensus to change it, the form should stand the way it has been. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 21:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

@Slobodandimitrov: What year was the photo taken? The description says where, but we should also have a year. Clearly it's later in his life, so I'm moving it down to a more appropriate section. Please add a date, or at least the year, when you took this photo, to the caption. Thanks - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 19:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Asked on the users' Commons talk page as well. Bluerasberry (talk) 19:40, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]