Talk:Harald Szeemann

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Elaboration & Contributions

This article seems to be in its infancy as there is very basic and under developed information lumped into three categories. Perhaps sections can be more focused on his individual contributions and influences and be organised thematically. Such themes that can be brought forth are: early life, education & influences, life as an artist, life as a curator, independent curating , personal life, and legacy. (JonathonTWeber41 (talk) 01:54, 26 January 2015 (UTC))[reply]

From your talk page it looks like you have a well developed timeline of exhibitions. A potential way to highlight his career could be to pull out specific exhibitions and elaborate on how they acted as a turning point in his career. Another good thing to mention would be some of the artists he chose to work with, how he was able to find them, and briefly touch on their reactions - good and bad. As far as education and early life, it would be interesting if you could find any of his personal influences in his style of curating or people in general that he admired. Altb478 (talk) 15:55, 24 March 2015 (UTC)Altb478Altb478 (talk) 15:55, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notability section

Is this article important enough? Will I be able to find substantial information? What impact will this information offer? Why is this article already have minimal information? Who would be interested in this article? What would they desire to know? Is this article biased?

~all evidence suggests that this article, while valid as is, could benefit in elaboration. However, it is not necessarily the most interesting topic for the general public. There is little doubt in being able to find good materials. Curation is an interesting aspect of art discourse, particularly in a contemporary context. (JonathonTWeber41 (talk) 05:17, 29 January 2015 (UTC))[reply]

Wikipedia contains many articles of interest to amateur and specialist readers. The most important criterion is "notability." There must be sufficient secondary literature to justify a topic's inclusion, especially in the case of biographies of living persons. Since there is a sub-section entitled "notability" already, perhaps this would be a good place to start. These ideas could be researched and developed to represent the real importance of Szeeman's work. Aolivex (talk) 21:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since this article has been considerably developed, I recommend a change to the "notability" section. Either

rename and reframe this as "impact on curatorial practice" or similar
integrate into lede, so it's clear to everyone why the subject is Wikipedia-worthy
integrate into discussion of career

Aolivex (talk) 20:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the notability section isn't needed as a section and would be best integrated into the lead where notability is established for articles in the encyclopedia. Gmcbjames (talk) 04:45, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions

This article on Harald Szeemann needs some work. The introduction only gives readers the bare minimum. Could have more information about his role/ influence as an independent curator. Maybe there should be two separate categories for "Life" and for his works? Definitely should include pictures from the exhibitions he participated in. It might be good to move the information about Szeemann inventing the idea/ practice of the "great exhibition" that is used today to the introduction. Maybe state why his archive is "one of the most important research collections. There are definitely more sources that will shed light on Szeemann's importance in modern-day curatorial practices. Lcr27 (talk) 15:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)lcr27[reply]

These are great suggestions and align with my comment on the "notability" section, above. Aolivex (talk) 20:31, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Would anyone find it an issue or conflict of interesting to include links in the external resources to the digitized images from the Getty Research Institute? I don't currently have open source images I can upload to Wikipedia, but there are many images from When Attitudes Become Form and documenta 5 that can be seen offsite. Example: http://hdl.handle.net/10020/2011m30s4aAttitudesShunk --Hsdeakyne (talk) 22:42, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see why this could lead to a conflict of interest - could you elaborate? Aolivex (talk) 19:32, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of References

1. Szeemann Primary Sources

Exhibitions

o Bezzola, Tobia and Kurzmeyer, Roman, Harald Szeemann: With by through because towards despite: Catalogue of All Exhibitions 1957—2005 N7483.S97 H37 2007 (FFAL)

o Davettas, Demosthenes and Szeemann, Harald Cy Twombly, paintings, works on paper… NC139 T86A4 1987 (FFAL) o Delaxcroix, Eugene and Szeemann, Harald Eugene Delacroix: Kunsthaus… i ND553.D33 A4 1988 (FFAL)

o Delaxcroix, Eugene and Szeemann, Harald Eugene Delacroix: Zeichnungen, Aquarelle… i N6853.D338 A4 1987 (FFAL)

o Flynn, B. (1976). A Conspiracy of Bachelors. ARTFORUM (U.S.A.), 15(2), 44-45. Retrieved from 0000208710 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320730093/72598C68E0204B99PQ/2?accountid=14709 o Heiss, Alanna and Szeemann, Harald El real viaje real i N7108 .R4 2003 (FFAL) o Leopold, Rudolph and Szeemann, Harald Austrian painting and drawing from… i N6808.5 E9E313 1989 (FFAL) o Liveriero Lavelli, Cecilia and Szeemann, Harald La Biennale di Venezi N6488.I8 V43 1999 (FFAL)

o Longhauser, Elsa Weiner and Szeemann, Harald Self-taught artists of the 20th century i N6512 .S35 1998 (FFAL) o Philip Morris Europe, Live in your Head: when attitudes… (catalogue) N6490 .P47 (FFAL)

o Rattemeyer, Christian, et al., Exhibiting the New Art: Op Losse Schroeven and When Attitudes Become Form, 1969 N6888.B258 A4 2009 (FFAL)

o Szeemann, Harald Documenta 5

o Szeemann, H., & (preface by) Baudson, M. (1996). Ecrire les expositions writing on exh3ibitions] Lettre Volée. 0000147103 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1367867246?accountid=14709 o Szeemann, Harald Monte Veritas: Berg der Wahrheit… NX564.A85 M6 (ULS storage)

o Szeemann, H. (1981). Museum der obsessionen: Von/über/zu/mit harald szeemann museum of obsessions: By/about/to/with harald szeemann] Merve. 0000037533 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1367856862?accountid=14709

o Szeemann, H. (2001). “Plateau of mankind.” Art Press (France), (269), 20-21. 0001009809 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320178553?accountid=14709

Interviews o Derieux, Florence, Harald Szeemann: Individual Methodology N7483.S97 A4 2007 (FFAL)

o Kohler, A. (1978). An Interview with Harald Szeemann Interview Mit Harald Szeemann]. Kunstforum International (G.F.R.), (30), 193-202. Retrieved from 0000223518 (FFAL)

http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320719679/3A709CAFCFAE47D3PQ/13?accountid

o Millet, Catherine (06/01/1988). "Harald Szeemann: Zeitlos, un poème dans l'espace [Harald Szeemann: Zeitlos, a poem in space]". Art press (Paris, France : 1981) (0245-5676), (126), p. 4. Retrieved from 0000046015 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320476666/515059FA4D2B44F2PQ/12?accountid=14709

o Müller, Hans-Joachim. Harald Szeemann: Exhibition Maker. Ostfildern-Ruit: Hatje Cantz, 2006. Print. N406.S94 M85 2006 (FFAL) o Obrist, Han Ulrich, “Harald Szeemann,” in A Brief History of Curating N408 .O27 2008 (FFLA)

His Influences

o Boltanski, Christian Christian Boltanski N6853 B54546 1997 (FFAL) o Cladders, Johannes Die Abtei Gladbach… BX2618.M96 A2 (ULS storage)

o Léger, Fernand Léger, Fernand ND553 L58A4 1989 (FFAL) o Schmidt, Georg Ereignis Weimar-Jena… DD901.W4 E74 2008 (Hillman General Collection)

His Commentaries

o Cladders, J., Müller, H., Harald, S., & (edited by) Osterwold, T. (1989). Wolfgang laib Cantz. Retrieved from 0000065585 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1426981914?accountid=14709

o Szeemann, H. (1990). A-historische klänge un-historic echoes]. Kunstforum International, (107), 238-240. 0000068632 (FFAL) Retrieved from http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320593345?accountid=14709

o Szeemann, H. (1994). Didier vermeiren. Kunstforum International, (127), 124-125. Retrieved from 0000119409 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320526492?accountid=14709

o Szeemann, H. (1990). Feria de novedades novelties show]. Arte Al Día, 11(39), 37-37, 39. Retrieved from 0000075378 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320547387?accountid=14709

o Szeemann, H. (1989). Franz west ou le baroque de l'âme et de l'esprit en fragments séchés franz west: Or the baroque of the soul and the spirit in dry fragments]. Art Press, (133), 28-30. Retrieved from 0000058192 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320549167?accountid=14709

o Szeemann, H. (1988). Freiheit in der geduld: Mystische spuren bei wolfgang laib freedom in patience: Mystical traces in the work of wolfgang laib]. Kunst Und Kirche, (2), 77-79. Retrieved from 0000051419 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320502633?accountid=14709

o Szeemann, H. (1998). Une libre rencontre avec d'autres mondes A free encounter with other worlds]. Beaux Arts Magazine,(168), 10. Retrieved from 0000162090 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320681165?accountid=14709

Other o Philip Morris Incorporated, Americans and the arts… NX705.5 U6A44 1984 (ULS storage)

2. Szeemann Secondary Sources

About his Exhibitions

o Agbert, Anne (01/01/1988). "Quand les attitudes deviennent forme [When attitudes become form]". Art press (Paris, France : 1981) (0245-5676), (121), p. 36. Retrieved from 0000044377 (FFAL)

http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320474885/515059FA4D2B44F2PQ/9?accountid=14709 o Altshuler, Bruce The Avant-Gard in exhibition… N6490 A612 1994 (FFAL)

o Altshuler, B. (2013). Exhibitions take centre stage. Art in America, 101(6), 132-137. Retrieved from 0001192739 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1467633371?accountid=14709 o Rattemeyer, Christian Exhibiting the New Art… N4396 .E84 2010 (FFAL)

o Rudolph, Karen (07/01/1997). "Kassel Lyon Venise Munster: manifestes pour l'art [Kassel, Lyons, Venice, Munster: manifestos for art]". Beaux arts magazine (Levallois-Perret) (0757-2271), (158), p. 98. Retrieved from 0000156733 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320719679/54FE792ADBF4286PQ/1?accountid=14709

About him

o Bismarck, Beatrice (06/01/2012). "Curating curators". Texte zur Kunst (0940-9459), 22, p. 42. Retrieved from 0000523723 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1024091976/3A709CAFCFAE47D3PQ/29?accountid=14709

o Engelhard, Günter (05/01/1987). "Der Agent vom Berg der Wahrheit [The agent from Truth Mountain]". ART: das Kunstmagazin, (5), p. 62. Retrieved from 0000034707 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320464115/515059FA4D2B44F2PQ/7?accountid=14709

o Grauman, B. (1988). Shaping the 80s: Europe's hottest curators. ARTnews, 87(3), 172-177. Retrieved from 0000044538 (FFAL) http://search.proquest.com/docview/1320495636?accountid=14709 (JonathonTWeber41 (talk) 04:57, 20 February 2015 (UTC))[reply]

Organization

This article suffers from issues of organization:

"Early exhibitions": this is a long list that should be placed further down on the page, preferably in a manageable format (table or box), or selectively pruned
"Major exhibitions" includes a list which functions (badly) like a table of contents for sections that follow it. Recommend these sections be turned into sub-sections
"Other Word" - this reads like a CV. Edit for interest or strike.

Suggest including a section on "legacy" or something similar, to demonstrate Szeemann's ongoing relevance to younger curators.Aolivex (talk) 19:36, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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