Talk:Happy Valley, Mussoorie/Archive 1

Archive 1

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moving here til this can be sourced

Characteristics

Happy Valley is famous for an Indian Administrative Service Academy situated there - The Lal Bahadur Shastri National Academy of Administration, its Tibetan Temples and a Municipal Garden. The area of the valley leads to the Cloud’s End - a place where the geographical borders of Mussoorie ends. The place is also famous for its tourist attraction - The Hathipaon Park Estate. From Happy Valley one can see the whole of Mussoorie. On the left of the valley - George Everest and on its right - the actual Himalayan ranges

- Jytdog (talk) 09:21, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Refs

@Ashleymillermu: Please improve your references. A reference should give enough information for the reader to see where the information has come from, and to retrieve it themselves in many cases, even if the web link is broken, or they are offline, or they have a printout of the article. I've upgraded one ref, about George Everest's house (currently number 19, though this may change). Please sort out the other references, which give no indication of where they are from. You might find WP:CITE useful reading. Thanks. PamD 11:16, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

ok, doing that in a bit AM (talk) 12:00, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

You still don't seem to understand about references. You don't just invent a title (especially a mis-spelled one). In this edit you've invented the title "Tibetian monastery at Happy Valley". The page you reference is called "Happy Valley/Tibetan Monastery". Your "Landmarks in Mussoorie" is actually "Mussoorie nearing 200, landmarks intact", and has an author and date which you haven't bothered to tell us. References are important, and you seem to be treating them very casually. PamD 12:31, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

The more I look the worse this gets: your "Landmarks in Mussoorie" reference has no mention of anything happening in 1960, and the word "temple" is present twice but does not in any way support the sentence for which you have cited this reference. Are you very confused (WP:AGF) or ... ? PamD 12:38, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Pam I got it. Again, ignorance I guess and in all my efforts, i seem to get on everyone's nerves out here. I have fixed all of them. Is it correct now ? Earlier, i was writing a title so that a user in wikipedia knows what s/he sees in that link when s/he gets there.. Now fixed them with the headline/title of what the referred page contains. AM (talk) 13:21, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, AM treats refs as something you stick on the end of a sentence so it looks right. This is what i find many times in their work. so far they seem to work by writing what is on their mind, and afterwards finding refs that kind of point at what they already said. i don't get a sense of responsible scholarship, where the writing is based on and carefully supported by high quality sources; nor a sense that it matters to AM that others be able to VERIFY what AM writes, online or in print. These basic concepts of scholarship just aren't there. Jytdog (talk) 12:39, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm. See i fixed most of what was missing Jytdog and thank you for the patience. Here is what I did on this particular article. I did my research, got the reference links saved on a notepad. and then wrote the article and then submitted. It was cumbersome to do the ref for so many of them so i tried a shortcut of ref [ ] which i guess was not the right thing to do. Yes, on this article it was a challenge finding high quality sources, but somehow managed to connect the dots. AM (talk) 13:25, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

I do not care why your Wikipedia editing is bad. No one cares. It is insulting to everyone that you keep offering these excuses, and on top of that, that you then go and repeat the same behavior that led to the complaint that you are making excuses for. Yes, that gets on people's nerves. It is not a big mystery. Jytdog (talk) 14:26, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

• are the issues relating to refs still there? (date included, author - not sure, 1960 issue redrafted,) AM (talk) 16:22, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Edits..

Is the article ready to be submitted for review ? Anything else needs to be fixed ?AM (talk) 13:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

There is no source for "is a quiet area" and "quiet" monastery and "the scenic views" and the "picturesque" Happy Valley. I am guessing that you wanted to make it seem interesting. We are not about that here. How many times do you have to be told to stop doing that? Write plain, simple, uncolorful content. Maybe try this - just don't use adjectives. (I mean that). The more you keep doing that, the more you are going to have editors saying you are here to sell something. It is not how we write in Wikipedia. This article currently violates the WP:PROMO and WP:NPOV policies.

What is the source for "Happy Valley is home to the first Tibetan temple built in India"? This article currently violates the WP:VERIFY policy.

There are still punctuation marks after refs, instead of in front of them. This violates the WP:MOS

What does "Sometime in October 18, 1929, " mean? There is doubt as to what time of day he was there? This is just bad writing.

This sentence: "Several families continue to live in the Happy Valley, those whose ancestors came along to Mussoorie with the Dalai Lama, Happy Valley is therefore a part of an important chapter in Tibetan history" is not supported by its source. This fails WP:VERIFY. Fake citations are really, really bad.

No, this article is not ready to be published. Jytdog (talk) 14:02, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

• 1,2,3,4,5 edited. That don't use adjective worked Jytdog. While I was doing random search on Wikipedia on what to write next, I stumbled upon this page here. If you have a moment, From your perspective of criteria and policies, would there be any edits required to that page before I use that template for my next article AM (talk) 15:37, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

please ignore my query about this page - now when I visited that page it looks different, now it isn't looking like a template that will be useful for my next article.AM (talk) 16:57, 22 April 2016 (UTC)