Talk:Hanson (band)

Children's names

From what I have found here WP:INVALIDBIO I'm pretty sure the children's names can be added and shown under the section for their fathers. They aren't getting their own separate pages and from what I understand from reading that, they can be listed on their fathers page. They just can't get pages made for them as individuals. Nina878787 (talk) 20:48, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Nina878787, as a brand new editor you seem to be misunderstanding the issue here. WP:INVALIDBIO has nothing to do with whether this material should be included in this article. It simply says that their relationship is not a reason to create articles about them, which no-one is suggesting.

This is a privacy issue. We do not normally list the names or exact birth dates of non-notable children.

The applicable section is WP:BLPNAME: The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons. The names of any immediate, former, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to editorial discretion that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject.

So, the information may be included if it is necessary for complete understanding of the subject , it is reliably sourced, and there is consensus to include it. I don't think the names of their children would be necessary even if the article was about the fathers, but it is actually an article about their band, so the information is not even germane, let alone necessary for complete understanding. I don't know why we even mention the member's families, let alone list their children and birth dates. Meters (talk) 21:13, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I have seen that one too. The information is reliably sourced and it's under the information about the individual members who are the children's father. I have always seen the section for individual members as also a personal life section since it gives the details of their birthday, marriage and the names of their wives and how many kids they do have. The band is known for their family and the number of kids they have as this is something that gets brought up in every baby announcement that is made when one of their wives turns up pregnant. I could understand removing it if it was listed elsewhere on the wiki but listing it under the information for the section that has the personal life details for their fathers seems okay since that is what that section is for since that section is just giving general details on their lives and not as a band. The rest of the article does that. I could see a bigger issue if it was under a different part of the wiki for the band then what it is listed under.Nina878787 (talk) 21:23, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Difficult to understand how anyone could be aware of WP:BLPNAME but instead choose to raise this as a WP:INVALIDBIO issue if they actually understood the issue. Meters (talk) 21:49, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I listed that because in one of your revisions on the bands article your summary mentioned non-notable kids. WP:INVALIDBIO is for nobility issues and linked under stuff for non-notable things and people. I thought that was more of what you had an issue with and not WP:BLPNAME. I think this issue is one that is a matter of personal opinion though. I see the individual members section at the bottom of the band article as a personal life section for the members, since the rest of the article covers the band information. That section has always mainly covered the personal life details, especially since only one out of the three members have a separate article on here. I have seen other famous people's personal life sections name and show the birth date their non-notable children. Two examples are Randy Orton and Seth Rollins, both of their personal life sections include the names and birthdays of their children and no one has ever raised an issue on their personal life sections detailing them just like no one had an issue with the kids being listed on the Hanson band page up until this year. The names have always been listed there and only got removed in a revision either late 2020 or early 2021. Nina878787 (talk) 22:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Again, WP:INVALIDBIO is about arguments that are invalid for whether an article should be created. No-one is suggesting that these young children should have their own articles. It is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Trying to justify your use of it is not going to help convince me that you know what you are doing. You have had an account for one day. New users often make mistakes. Just accept that you made a mistake and drop it. We are discussing whether it is appropriate to mention band member's non-notable children by name, in an article about a band. In my opinion, their names are irrelevant and contribute nothing to the under sanding of the band. Yes it's a family band. Yes they have families. We mention that, and I don't believe anyone has attempted to remove that. What has been challenged and removed multiple times is the names (and possibly exact birth dates) of non-notable children. Why is this information "relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject"? Meters (talk) 22:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Whether similar material is included in a few other articles is an issue for those articles' talk pages. We have many articles in which similar information is not included. Meters (talk) 22:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm willing to admit I made a mistake. I was just answering why I mentioned that because you had difficulty understanding. I was telling you that the misunderstanding was on me given how I read the summary. I know what I got wrong now. The information is relevant because it gives more of a background to the band members which is what the members section is for since that section doesn't contain band information and all the band information comes before that. That is just my feelings on why it is relevant. Someone else may find it relevant for other reasons entirely. If each individual band member had their own articles then I'd say take the information off and put it there since those articles have nothing to do with the band. I think the names being there and their relevancy is something that is a matter of opinion though and if people want to add the names or birth dates they can because people have their own opinions on what is or isn't relevant when it comes to this. Nina878787 (talk) 23:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Again, why is this information "relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject"? How does knowing the names of the children improve our understanding of the band? I can't think of any reason the names of their children is pertinent. Of interest to some people does not mean it is relevant and should be included. Meters (talk) 23:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Going to address this here now that there is a section for it. I wasn't trying to edit war as I didn't know that was a thing until today. I also didn't know about WP:BLPNAME until it was brought up here. Now that I know I won't revert back if anyone changes from kids names to the names not being there. I will add though that I do believe the names being there is relevant since the kids have been in music videos for the band and have been featured in audio clips on the band's Christmas album. That is all I have to say though and I'm sorry if my edits came off as harsh or like I was trying to cause drama as that wasn't the case. 216.30.158.95 (talk) 02:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Background band members

I believe there are a number of on stage background band members missing from the timeline such as Ravi who even published a book about them. Perhaps someone could research and update that section https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1923976.Dancin_with_Hanson Grapepinky (talk) 15:58, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Really? And do you have any reliable sources for your belief? Please don't ask other editors to do your research and writing for you. And a member of "Hanson's backup band during their 1997 tour" is not part of the group. Meters (talk) 21:46, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, That was quite rude and I don't appreciate your tone, but there is a section at the bottom of the page that lists their touring musicians. There are people missing from that that toured with them from the early years such as Ravi. I can't work out how to edit that section myself, and the talk page is for discussing these things. Some people have more deep knowledge into who was there at that time than me too. Grapepinky (talk) 15:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't see anywhere in the article where we list "background band musicians". If you mean the unsourced "Touring musicians" section, we list two musicians who have apparently been touring with them for 14 years. Convince us that the article should list every musician who ever participated in even one of their tours.

Next time you can't figure out how to make a particular edit then provide us with the changes and the sources and request that someone make the edit. As it is, you are basically saying, "There is missing information. I'm not telling you where it is missing, or what is missing, or where to verify the information, but someone should fix it." I think that's quite rude and presumptuous of you, and unlikely to result in any changes. Meters (talk) 06:33, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

We also don't edit based on what you or other editors' personally know. Meters (talk) 06:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

They only ever have two touring musicians who are listed already. The only thing that is wrong about that is Andrew has been with them since 2013 I think and not as long as is listed here. Before Andrew they had someone else whose name I'm forgetting but unless a proper source can be found for anything I'd say not to add it or change anything. I kind of also have to agree in not asking others to do the work for you. If you can find a proper source then add it yourself. Nina878787 (talk) 23:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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