Talk:Hank Mobley

Discography

I'm going to comment out the most recent addition. It doesn't seem to have come off the web, but it's clearly not something someone has typed into the Wikipedia editor. Would the anonymous contributor please say where it's come from? I could stick it into vim and/or Perl and do some formatting, but I'd like to know where it's from first. --ajn (talk) 10:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Chronology

The chronology of the discography doesn't concur with the individual album infoboxes. Can someone please sort this out - I have no access to the original dates. Thanks.--Technopat (talk) 10:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Revert of major change

I have just reverted a major change -done in good faith- to the article by User 210.216.45.47. No reason was given for the change, it removes many internal links and reads like the sleevenotes or a biography rather than an encyclopedic article. It suggests that the editor is unfamiliar with Wikipedia policy, so am posting a message on the corresponding talk page. I may be wrong, in which case, please accept my apologies. --Technopat (talk) 23:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

problems with article

I don't wish to edit this article myself, but here are some problems I found:

Mobley was described by Leonard Feather as the "middleweight champion of the tenor saxophone", a metaphor used to describe his tone, that was neither as aggressive as John Coltrane nor as mellow as Stan Getz, and his style that was laid-back, subtle and melodic, especially in contrast with players like Sonny Rollins and Coltrane. The critic Stacia Proefrock claimed he is "one of the most underrated musicians of the bop era.

By what source did Leonard Feather say that Mobley is more laid back, subtle or melodic than Rollins or Coltrane?

The Feather quote is from the liner notes for Workout and can also be seen here:

http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Artists/Blakey/mobley.htm

Feather doesn't say anything there about about laid back, subtle or melodic. It is reasonable to say that Mobley is often more laid back; but without source, this is not something that we know that Feather said or even implied, and, without source, it is egregious to claim that Feather said that Mobley is more subtle or melodic than Rollins or Coltrane.

And the part about Mobley being underrated, if included at all, would be better later in the article. It's not an essential aspect of identifying Mobley. For that matter, this whole opening would be better if it gave a factual synopsis of Mobley rather than unsupported interpretations about what a certain jazz critic meant and along with a comment about what one (among other) commentators have claimed about this musician having gotten insufficient critical appreciation.

he started to play with local bands and, months later, worked for the first time with musicians like Dizzy Gillespie and Max Roach.

Before playing with Roach he recorded as a member of the rhythm and blues band of Paul Gayten. I would say something like, "He started playing locally in Newark, then joined the Paul Gayten rhythm and blues band, and by 1953 he was in the Max Roach band."

The results of these sessions were released as Horace Silver and the Jazz Messengers.

They were ten inch records: Horace Silver Quintet, Vol. 1 and Horace Silver Quintet, Vol. 2 (some tracks were also released on 45s). Only after the release as separate 10 inchers were they put together in LP as Horace Silver and the Jazz Messengers.

http://www.jazzdisco.org/hank-mobley/discography/

he did work again with Blakey some years later, when the drummer appeared on Mobley's albums in the early 1960s.

After Blakey and Silver diverged, Blakey appeared on certain Mobley albums in the '50s and Mobley recorded with Blakey as a Jazz Messenger in 1959. So the article is misleading as it suggests that Mobley didn't work again with Blakey until the '60s. And this subject of Mobley later recording with Blakey is not needed anyway.

http://www.jazzdisco.org/hank-mobley/discography/

generally considered to be his finest recording

Generally considered by whom? What objective poll establishes this claim? Yes, Soul Station is a popular album and often mentioned in the literature as Mobley's best or among his best, and it is likely (but not confirmed) that it is the album most mentioned as his best, but I know of no confirmed basis for claiming that it is "generally considered" to be his best. It would be better just to say, "among his most popular and critically acclaimed albums".

room for soloists to stretch out.

That's empty lingo in this context. The decision (whether planned or in the moment) as to how many choruses a soloist may take is made by the leader, soloist (if allowed), producer and possibly the engineer. Length of solo is not a function of the composition. In this way, just about all jazz compostions leave room for soloists to stretch out; how long the soloists take is not a function of the composition.

Mobley was forced to retire in the mid-1970s due to lung problems. He worked two engagements at the Angry Squire in New York City November 22 and 23, 1985

But also in 1980 he played on a track on a Tete Montoliu album:

http://www.jazzdisco.org/hank-mobley/discography/

A Blowin' Session

The title of the album is A Blowing Session (see the note I entered for the article on that album).

Introducing Lee Morgan (Savoy, 1956)

This is actually a two day Hank Mobley session that was titled by the record label as if it were a Lee Morgan session.

Also, omitted in the list of records are:

Elmo Hope - Informal Jazz

Doug Watkins - Watkins At Large

Lauricacid (talk) 21:19, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Hank Mobley discography

Support split - Discography section takes up more than one half of the page and should be split to a new article entitled Hank Mobley discography. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:28, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Narcotics arrests

The "1956-1970" section states:

"In 1964, Mobley was again imprisoned for possession of narcotics."

However, the article makes no previous mention of an earlier imprisonment.

The subsequent "Personal life" section states:

"Mobley became addicted to heroin in the late 1950s, and in 1958 was imprisoned."

It would be good to include the 1958 imprisonment in chronological order, before the 1964 event.

Karl gregory jones (talk) 14:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 15:30, 18 February 2024 (UTC)