Talk:Halo 3: ODST/Archive 2

Multiplayer Content

This is the current line. "ODST's multiplayer offering is similar to Halo 3's, and will ship with a total of twenty-four maps, including all the zones in Halo 3, as well as three maps unique to ODST.[8]" I propose that we change it to mention the mythic map pack specifically, and differentiate between that and the ODST exclusive maps. I tried to double check the number on the source, but Bnet is having Windows Live ID problems. Once I can chech that, I will make these changes myself. Spartan S58 (talk) 06:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Made the changes.Spartan S58 (talk) 19:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Will the multiplayer in ODST be exactly the same as in Halo 3, as in you could play against someone using Halo 3 while you are using ODST? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoarZabimaru (talk • contribs) 21:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I assume that identical multiplayer means Forge & Theater will be included in ODST as well? --66.134.7.32 (talk) 04:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm pretty sure they are. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I second jadefalcon's comment. From what I know, ODST will ship as a two disc case. Disc 1 being the ODST campaign, where the player takes control of the Rookie in New Mombassa's streets, firefight mode, etc. Chances are, there may be a Theater mode for this, but not Forge, because there's no multiplayer maps to forge on. Disk 1 would be the Campaign disk. Disk 2 would be the Halo 3 multiplayer, with custom games, matchmaking, forge, and theater, on all Halo 3 multiplayer maps, including Citadel, Longshore, and Heretic. Frogger1093 (talk) 03:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

One and for all the multiplayer section needs to be edited. In my opinion the most confusing thing about Halo 3:ODST is the multiplayer. For a while it never was clear exactly what the multiplayer mode, if there even was one. The most recent information provided by Bungie is that Disc 2 is called "Halo 3 Multiplayer Experience" disc that contains Halo 3 Multiplayer with ALL of the maps. This disc isn't associated with ODST at all other than that it's bundled with it. This sections needs to be edited, ASAP. If I could edit then I would. amariotti (talk) 14:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

pre-order token

About Johnsson and participating retailers, I have not seen a list in the article. Is this list complete? Mallerd (talk) 14:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Since no-one else has responded, I will. While I can't comment on any other country, the UK list seems complete. It accounts for all the places I know about that do it, anyway.

Related question: I pre-ordered ODST from GAME in person. Now their site says you have to pre-order online. Will I get the token? Because nowhere on any advert have I seen that it has to be ordered online and I'm fairly sure that the GAME shop I frequent had a sign up detailing it one day. If I don't get Johnson, I'm going to throw a temper tantrum. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Ratings

They've missed out a rating, the BBFC rating, 18. I don't know why they'd rate it an 18, but there you go--78.148.36.17 (talk) 10:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe there's more gore than the other Halo games (wouldn't surprise me given that this is going to be a more down-to-Earth game). Do you have a source? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 15:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Quite frankly i don't have a source but what you presumed is probably correct--89.241.58.129 (talk) 09:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

On second thoughts, the BBFC aren't rating games anymore. PEGI's taking over. Will they do this before or after ODST comes out? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

You know, i really can't be sure about that, i reckon BBFC will continue rating games--84.13.109.249 (talk) 12:05, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

They can't. PEGI's taking over completely thanks to ELSPA's government petition and is even going to start trying to rate online interactions (to which I say, good luck). The only thing that matters is when they take over. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Just checked. According to PC Gamer, PEGI takes over at some point in September. Whether this means that September will be the month that BBFC rated games stop coming out or the BBFC will stop rating games in September is unclear. This means that ODST will either be PEGI-rated only or one of the last BBFC rated games. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 09:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Additional proof leaning towards the game not being BBFC rated: in all of the adverts I've seen for it, I've only seen the new PEGI logos. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

UK's GAME presells are listed with PEGI 16+ http://www.game.co.uk/Xbox360/Action/Shooter/~r342218/Halo-3-ODST-including-Halo-Reach-BETA-Access/ 96.3.141.210 (talk) 20:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Voiceover cast

New trailer - Dutch is voiced by Adam Baldwin and Mickey by Alan Tudyk. Anyone care to edit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.195.229.237 (talk) 20:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any citations for this? Baldwin's only done random Marines before (though I'd be more willing to believe Alan Tudyk as he hasn't played in Halo before). --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore the ViDoc you're quoting doesn't specifically say who's doing the voices. It sounds like them, to be sure, but let's get a real source. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 12:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll tell you what I know...

1. Veronica ("Dare") - Tricia Helfer (source)
2. Edward Buck ("Buck") - Nathan Fillion
3. Taylor Miles ("Dutch") - Adam Baldwin (no source)
4. Kojo Agu ("Romeo") - no idea
5. J.D. ("The Rookie", name unknown) - none/unknown
6. Michael Crespo ("Mickey") - no idea

-- OsirisV (talk) 16:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

IMDB cites Adam Baldwin and Nathan Fillion as the above voices. Alan Tudyk is listed as 'rumoured' to be Mickey on IMDB, but Alan Tudyk WAS in the voice cast for Halo 3 (at least IMDB says he was, and they are a fairly reputable source). - anon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.147.14.9 (talk) 16:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Sign posts with the big button at the top of the edit window. As for rumours, Wikipedia has no truck with them. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Differences with Halo 3

Hasnt it been stated by Bungie in an interveiw all the differences in gameplay between ODST and Halo 3, for example the engine is the same but they have made some major improvements graphics-wise. Also since the player is not a spartan, just a regular human you are more vulnerable to gunfire ( as stated in the article ) however we havent put that you now you cannot dual wield weapons as they are too heavy and require a specialised hand to be able to handle the recoil of the weapons effectively whilst also hitting a target, also as a human you will not be able to use covenant weapons because you have not been trained or have any understanding of how to use them, also i think it was mentioned in a Q & A session with Bungie im sure it said that using covenant vehicles is now also gonna be impossible again, due to not understanding how it works. Personally i think it would have been cool if you could use the vehicles and weapons just maybe with not as much proficiancy as el master chief-o. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.5.164 (talk) 18:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, we have seen Covenant weapons used by ODSTs in the game.-- OsirisV (talk) 18:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention Covenant weapons have been in use by Marines since the first Halo game. Peptuck (talk) 02:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

A source would be nice though. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 09:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

When Captain Keyes wields a needler on the level where you rescue captain keys, as well as when he pilots a Spirit Dropship. ⊕Assasin Joe ^talk 02:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I was talking about the interview in general. I remembered the Keyes thing etc. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

(this is the original poster) Ohh well im actually very relieved if it transpires that you can have covenant weapons afterall :) and i dont have a source in writing it was on a video on youtube i saw heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eATKetgM3gs

and he asks him about the questions about 2 mins 38 seconds into the video (just of you dont want tos sit through the entire thing), also i forgot to mention that you cant jump as high as the master chief can either. even if this doesnt count as a citation (im not sure if you accept things in a video format) at any rate you should definately check it out anyways if you havent already seen it, its a Q & A session from E3, inside xbox got the scoop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.5.84 (talk) 18:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Sign your posts and speak in English. Other people don't want to have to translate words before they can understand you. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:17, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm from England and speak fluent english. Theres just a noisy kid where i'm staying and i couldn't give typing my full attention plus i'm only trying to help theres no need to be condescending. 90.216.101.32 (talk) 15:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if you took it the wrong way. I'm just fed up of reading text by illiterate people who can't type to save their life. This made me assume you were one of them: "(just of you dont want tos sit through the entire thing)" --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh I see, well I apologise (no sarcasm) it was simply that I could not concentrate 100% on typing, you were totally right about me not signing my posts that is something i shall invent in, in the future. 81.77.223.96 (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Sorry if I insulted you, fellow Englishman. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

did you have to be an ass mr --Thejadefalcon...69.34.111.9 (talk) 06:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Is yes an acceptable answer? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Let's not get all worked up about something normal...--Rollersox (talk) 03:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry. I'm used to that sort of question. I find it funny. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you can't dual-wield because your Body Suit (ODST armor) doesn't support it, like MJOLNIR Mark V. Strength may also have something to do with it, but the main reason is the Body Suit limitations. Moni7or (talk) 17:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this? And what on Earth do you mean 'doesn't support it'? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe that you cannot dual-wield because your armor doesn't possess the strength of your original MJOLNIR Mark IV or V or whatever it is.I also agree with Moni7or.--Rollersox (talk) 17:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

ODST

Halo 3: ODST is about "the Rookie", whoever he is, correct? Does any single part of this game take place on a ship (other than the HEV or other)? I'm not very sure about this, since I don't have any sources, unfortunately.--Rollersox (talk) 17:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

The game starts on the ship they drop from. No, the "rookie" is not the only playable character, and the plot does not centre around him. You play his other squadmates throughout the game.-- OsirisV (talk) 18:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

So "the Rookie" is not the only playable character? Okay...thanks.--Rollersox (talk) 01:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

What I understand of it, the plot centres around the Rookie trying to find out what happened to and subsequently meet up with his squad. Every now and then, he'll find a piece of evidence that will start a flashback from the point of view of the squad member in that area, then move back to the Rookie as he pieces what happened together. That's what I understand of the game anyway. Doesn't matter. We'll find out in... oh, forty days. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

24, you mean.-- OsirisV (talk) 14:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the information.--Rollersox (talk) 15:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Whatever, Osiris. I wasn't actually counting. Now I am. :P This computer lists the date as the 19th of July, anyway. Useless public computer. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Where do you live? I live in Bellevue, Washington State. Currently it's 9/2/2009, 2018 hours military time (8:18 PM civilian time).--Rollersox (talk) 03:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Random question. :P Barton-le-Clay, Bedfordshire, England. 03/09/2009, 1636 hours. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

'CANNOT WAIT for Halo 3: ODST...coming out in 18 days (2 weeks 4 days)!!!--Rollersox (talk) 01:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's probably why you're editing the Wikipedia article on it. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Eh...kind of true...not really though if you ask me. I just love Halo.--Rollersox (talk) 15:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

7 days! ⊕Assasin Joe ^talk 02:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Are we actually supposed to be counting down on Wikipedia? :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't really know...but 2 DAYS!!!--Rollersox (talk) 17:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

-18 hours! ⊕Assasin Joe ^talk 01:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Saying it on the 23rd? Fail of epic proportions. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I got cigar-choppin' Marine Sgt. Major Avery Johnson on the 21st of September!--Rollersox (talk) 21:16, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I was trying to say Negative 18 hours, but my negative sign looked like a dash (which it was), so ya, epic fail ⊕Assasin Joe ^talk 04:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Filthy Americans. *shakes fist at Rollersox* Anyway, like I said, despite the amusement Assasin Joe (you are aware it's "assassin," aren't you?) has caused me, this isn't forum. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 12:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Weapon at first

In the Halo 3: ODST trailer, I saw that the rookie had a submachine gun-like weapon. Just to clarify, is it a SMG or a carbine? It seems more of an SMG to me, but just to make sure. Thanks.--Rollersox (talk) 01:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It's the M7 Suppressed Sub-machine gun (M7S SMG), a variant of the M7 only seen elsewhere in Halo 2 Vista.-- OsirisV (talk) 02:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for clarifying.--Rollersox (talk) 15:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Wait a second...aren't they making a new variant of the M7S SMG that has some kind of scope on it for the Rookie?--Rollersox (talk) 03:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it also has a scope on it that when looked through the zoom mode appears to be exactly like the Battle Rifle's zoom. (SkyJW15 (talk) 21:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC))

Such a relief...at last a SMG with a scope! Yes!--Rollersox (talk) 17:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

ODST Name.

Okay I'm pretty sure ODST doesn't mean "On Duty Super Troopers". Its more like "Orbital Shock Drop Troopers". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.15.227.53 (talk) 07:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism. Its been reverted. Peptuck (talk) 07:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe it is "Orbital Drop Shock Troopers".--Rollersox (talk) 16:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll give you a source for the ODST name: page 65 of Halo: Fall of Reach: "John could tell they were special forces—Orbital Drop Shock Troopers."-- OsirisV (talk) 18:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Huh. Persistent vandal. Also, he tried to hijack that ref you used, Osiris. Peptuck (talk) 20:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I wish we knew who the vandal was. Eh. I'm going to check my Fall of Reach novel. Perhaps it's in there.--Rollersox (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Obviously Osiris is right...whoever vandalized this was obviously incorrect.--Rollersox (talk) 22:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

This is technically resolved, correct?--Rollersox (talk) 03:05, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe so, yes. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

That's quite a relief...:P--Rollersox (talk) 03:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Campaign Co-Op

There is no mention of the ability to play Co-Op in the campaign. I came to ths page to see if the game had it, but it didn't say. I've looked elsewhere to confirm that it does have Co-Op for up to 4 Players for the Campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ8wk2bbeq8 There's no edit button on the page right now, so if someone who can edit it wants to update it, that would be cool.

Aren't you talking about the 'Firefight' mode of Halo 3: ODST? I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.--Rollersox (talk) 23:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

No, they're talking about normal co-op, playing through the game together. To be honest, I haven't heard a word about it. I'm not sure if this is because it's fairly bland and Bungie simply haven't bothered commenting on it, or if it's because, due to the open world nature of the game, they haven't implemented co-op. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:48, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay...well I haven't really heard of a "co-op", but I guess it's true...--Rollersox (talk) 01:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Having thought a bit more, I doubt there will be co-op. After all, if it's an open world game, you can go off in any direction. If one player went one way and the second went another, that would give the game a real headache if it had to try to load two areas at once. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 11:06, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah..the co-op. Okay. I get it now. Sorry for not understanding...Anyway, I'm skeptical about a co-op in Halo 3: ODST...--Rollersox (talk) 23:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

There is, I saw the leaked ending with a bit of gameplay, it showed that there were two players on the game. I will NOT give you the video link as that would spoil tremendously.-- OsirisV (talk) 00:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I really doubt there will be any kind of co-op campaign in Halo 3: ODST, as I've already said, because don't they already have Firefight? I think that's enough for Bungie or Microsoft Games Studios. My opinion!--Rollersox (talk) 01:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

This isn't a beware of spoilers. If it's a reliable source and is linked then it may be mentioned in the article. Noneofyour (talk) 01:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

True...except sometimes you just don't want to see spoilers and you want to see things for yourself...not on a real-life video...--Rollersox (talk) 01:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I can handle it, Osiris. Besides, we might have seen it already. :P Are you sure it wasn't splitscreen multiplayer? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

The player pressed a button and it showed a menu listing two users playing the game, like you'd do in other Halo games. It was only showing one players view, so if it was split-screen then it must have been changed to one-person mode via Theatre. After fighting, the ending cutscene takes place. So, either someone merged a Firefight game with the ending cutscene, or ODST has co-op.-- OsirisV (talk) 12:20, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Give a link and I'll give my opinion. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I did give the link at the very beginning! Here's the same link again, this time with the time index: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ8wk2bbeq8#t=2m40s "And the campaign, of course, has full co-op play. So you can play it with 3 of your friends, for a total of 4 ODSTs charging around the city." - Joseph Staten, Creative Director of Bungie.--Xandor (talk) 13:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, my apologies. I was under the impression we were talking about a different video. It's a moot point now anyway now that the game's out. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I've seen it already. :P...no matter. I think it is splitscreen multiplayer, although I'm not that sure.--Rollersox (talk) 01:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I removed the split screen statement. They didn't specifically say split screen in the source, just that you can play with four players. As Halo 3 only support 2 player locally and 4 players via Xbox Live, it's likely to be the same case. But until we know for sure, we can't assume either way. --Teancum (talk) 14:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I have video of a G4TV podcast on my Zune showing the splitscreen, but who knows if that's system link or not. I picked up the game Wednesday, and the box says "players 1-4, co-op 2-4, system link 2-16" but I haven't gotten a chance to play it yet (still finishing MUA2). Confusion there stems from Firefight and the fact that I've bought other games (Saint's Row 2) which were incorrectly marked (box says "players 1-2, co-op 2, system link 2," but in fact supports only Live or system link play, no "couch co-op"). I'll likely get the chance to confirm tonight.214.3.138.234 (talk) 13:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC)Steve

Okay, it's splitscreen 2-player co-op. I confirmed it on my own copy of the game. 71.171.87.248 (talk) 03:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)Steve

Release Dates and Ratings

ESRB: M17+

PEGI: 16+

OFLC (both Austrailia and New Zealand): 18

CERO (Japan): D17+ (they included us and it's kinda stupid if we didn't list all ratings regardless of language)

BBFC: isn't rating since PEGI is taking over all ratings in September, also http://www.game.co.uk/Xbox360/Action/Shooter/~r342218/Halo-3-ODST-including-Halo-Reach-BETA-Access/ Game lists ODST with a PEGI rating.

Release Dates

Japan: 9.24.09

Everyone else: 9.22.09

All info was found using XBOX.com and our own discussing here. 96.3.141.210 (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Xbox.com is considered a good source due to having to log on to access it (or something). --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that the New Zealand rating will be R16 as that's what Halo 3 is and ODST isn't dissimilar to it. R18 ratings are reserved for games like GTA IV, Soldier of Fortune Payback, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.212.81 (talk) 09:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia. Opinion counts for nothing. If you have a citation for it, fine, but otherwise any post that starts with "I'm fairly sure" is likely to be viewed as opinion, especially if it has no mention of seeing a source somewhere. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Actual name

There's this really annoying thing that's been bugging me from the start: what the hell does J.D. stand for? I mean, I know that the Rookie's initials are "J.D.", but what do they stand for?!?!--Rollersox (talk) 00:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

There's something about that rookie, everything's classified like he was ONI. J.D. huh? How about John Doe,? It could be a cover name though.-- OsirisV (talk) 07:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

What does J.D. stand for in real life (I've heard it used as a name before)? There's your answer. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh...there's Joe Davie, Joe Davis, Joe Davidson, Joe Doe, Jack Dare, Jack Davie, Jack Davis, Jack Doe, John Donut...and about 500,000 more...thanks for helping :P--Rollersox (talk) 21:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh... okay. I was kind of hoping there would only be one name that was a "true" J.D. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Also John Dorian (Scrubs, anyone?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.212.81 (talk) 09:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Umm...what?--Rollersox (talk) 03:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

There's a TV show called Scrubs. It's some sort of hospital parody. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Skulls

In Halo 3: ODST in the Firefight campaign, what do the skulls do? Do they make the Covenant stronger, or do they make you stronger? Also, how do you get skulls? Do you get them from the Firefight campaign, the real campaign, or something else? Thanks...just to make sure, you know.--Rollersox (talk) 03:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Those are reused Halo 3 skulls. Some rounds have a skull activated to make gameplay harder. The Skulls mostly effect the enemy to make them stronger, though one of the Skulls in Firefight means you have to melee to get health back.-- OsirisV (talk) 08:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the information. :)--Rollersox (talk) 15:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Black Eye skull. It's shields back. Health is non-existent in modern Halo games. It's worse than that. Apparently, the skulls are randomly activated. You might have round nineteen with two skulls on (say, Iron and Famine), round twenty with none on and round twenty-one with everything on. I'll send flowers to your funeral. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks...you're so optimistic you know. :P.--Rollersox (talk) 23:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

That's why I'm still alive. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:14, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually believe that in Halo 3: ODST you have only health and no shields due to ODST's different armor.

That would make sense in terms of Canon consistency, now that I think about it. And I remember one trailer that showed you falling from your crashed capsule onto the ground ten metres down. The screen flashed red, like it does in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. If you have no shields to monitor, I'd say that would be the best way to say "you're in trouble, duck and cover." But a regenerating health system is what Bungie is likely to go for, given one thing I read about why it appeared in Halo 2, but goes against what the Black Eye skull does. (frowns) Maybe the skull's effect is changed? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:14, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Ignore everything above. I've just noticed the section on health and stamina in the article. The Black Eye skull probably restores lost permanent health. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

2009-09-14 assessment for B-Class

Unfortunately as this article is still missing the Reception section and a proper Plot it needs to remain start class. However given the quality of work put into it thus far once the reviews come in and the Reception section is fleshed out I can easily see this becoming GA-Class. In the meantime there are a few things that could use some work:

• Some references need to be updated to the proper citation style: refs 9, 10, 12, 13, 47, 49, 50 51, 52.
• The Rookie concept art picture might look better with a right-justify
• A picture of Firefight would be useful
• The intro could use some expansion.

Again, considering how good things look thus far I'd skip B-Class and go straight for a GA nomination. I could see this being GA by October 1 if the same quality of editing is kept up. --Teancum (talk) 15:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool. Now if only I had the time and/or knowledge of how to do those things. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I attempted to do the picture despite no experience with pictures at all. Did I succeed? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:28, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea how to add pictures to Wikipedia or what the rules about them are. So, here's a big mighty list of Firefight pictures for your guys to sort through. I've attempted to find ones without watermarks on (barring Bungie's), but I may have missed them. I'm kind of partial to the second one.

Three ODSTs, six Jackals, Phantom

Two ODSTs, Johnson, Grunt, blood

Four ODSTs, four Jackals, plasma explosion

Three ODSTs, Jackal, Phantom, two Hunters

HUD (including gamertags) and I'm not counting

Four ODSTs, two Jackals, Grunt, Phantom, plasma grenade

Two ODSTs, two Brute Chieftains (look left), Jackal, blood

Again, not counting

Three (four?) ODSTs, Phantom, blood

Any of those suitable for Wikipedia? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Achievements

Sudden thought: Has anyone heard anything about this game's Achievements? Because if it comes on two separate discs, surely that would mean each disc would have its own Achievements. Microsoft demand that every full game have a thousand Gamerscore (or so I'm told). However, The Orange Box, which has five games in it (Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2: Episode One, Half-Life 2: Episode Two, Portal and Team Fortress 2), only had one thousand Gamerscore (divided between the lot of them) rather than five thousand. This, to me, implies that the Gamerscore is per disc. So does this mean that ODST, with two game discs, will have two thousand Gamerscore total (one thousand for the campaign, one thousand for multiplayer)? Because that would keep me happy until Dragon Age: Origins comes out. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes and no. Disk 2 - I believe - would have Halo 3s Multiplayer achievements, including Achievements added for the Mythic Map Pack. If you already got some of the achievements on Halo 3's Multiplayer, you won't be able to get those ones again on the Multiplayer Disk.-- OsirisV (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's good. I don't have Xbox Live yet. Win! So ODST will have 1000G, and the multiplayer will have Halo 3's Achievements, correct? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

No Its saying it is likely that if you play the multiplayer you can get achievments inside Halo 3, while Halo 3: ODST achievments are likely to be strictly Singleplayer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlefatmonkey (talk • contribs) 22:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

(looks up) Isn't that what I said? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:14, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Expansion or Prequel?

I realized in the intro it states that ODST is an expansion, though in light of current information showing that it is actually a full sized, free roam game with presumably an 8-10 hour campaign, wouldn't it be better to call it a Standalone Prequel to Halo 3 or maybe just a Standalone Game? (SkyJW15 (talk) 05:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC))

It was intended to be a short campaign for an expansion (possibly DLC) of Halo 3. After a while, they realised that as they put so much into it, they decided it should be a game in its own right. -- OsirisV (talk) 10:26, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I understand that but now that it is a full game, shouldn't it be changed from an expansion to a full game? (SkyJW15 (talk) 00:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC))

No, it is still a standalone expansion. It carries the Halo 3 name. If it was just Halo: ODST, it would most likely be a separate game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.166.58 (talk • contribs)

Actually, a reason developers will name a game using a previous title is because the engine it is using is the same as a previous games, which ODST is doing with Halo 3's engine. If it were an expansion, the title would impose that the game is an expansion to Halo 3, even though it would technically be an expansion to Halo 2 since it happens within that games storyline instead of Halo 3's. (SkyJW15 (talk) 22:35, 21 September 2009 (UTC))

New Release Date

In Washington at least one Microsoft store opened at 4:00 on 9-21-09. People were able to buy Halo 3: ODST and did (the line went around the block). This would, technically, make the release date 9-21-09. Should we change the release date on the Wiki? RolandRock (talk) 02:46, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

No because the official date is the 22nd and any thing that a shop does (even if it is microsoft) cannot be concidered official. If we did change the date then when it was released early in France.  rdunnPLIB  09:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

People who pre-ordered Halo 3: ODST (like me, of course) got the game first thing in the morning on September 21, 2009. The line literally stretched from Redmond, Washington State, to downtown Seattle.--Rollersox (talk) 03:07, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Sergeant Johnson

How exactly does Johnson download? Is it into a file? Because I've got a code, but I want to know if I can download it to my hard drive and then swap it over to a bigger hard drive when I buy it and still be able to play as him. Is that possible, or is he locked to the hard drive he's downloaded to? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

You type the code in and it downloads a 106kb file to your harddrive. if you want to move it then you have to then follow the instructions that everything else does when they get moved (ie signing into LIVE on it first use on the new HDD). however the file is only useable on the account that downloaded it in the first place and if for any reason you lose you gamertag and then recover it (eg a broken xbox) you cannot then redownload him as it is a oneoff thing. Is that understandable?  rdunnPLIB  10:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed my thoughts and hopes, basically. Thanks (I have zero experience with XBL so far, so when I do get it, I didn't want Johnson stuck on my smaller mere 20GB hard drive). The only thing I'm confused about is the recovering of the account if the Xbox breaks. How would that break Johnson? Or do you mean if the hard drive breaks and I lose the data, I can't play as Johnson any more? If so, I'll keep him on every hard drive I buy. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

If the xbox breaks be the hard drive is ok then you just need to be signed into LIVE the first time you use him on your new machine. If you go to the usage restrictions option before you download something or even just go to a random file on the marketplace and select the option but dont download the said file, there is further info there about transfers.

BUT if the hard drive breaks and you then recover your gamertag on a new drive then you cannot use/download Johnson ever again as he is a one off download. The email you got w/the code should have infomation at the bottom of it as well.  rdunnPLIB  09:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

So, all good as long as I keep him on every possible memory thing. Thanks! I had hoped it would be like that. Glad to know for sure. ... but that does seem a little unfair. Do Microsoft ever look into this sort of thing? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 12:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

in adition to what i wus trying to say was that only one copy of him is allowed to be owned by you. (dam my memory) ((adition) Microsoft are generally unhelpful with these sorts of matters)  rdunnPLIB  12:29, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, curses. Darn Microsoft. Next thing I know, the disc-read errors will hit me. Because that's how great my luck is. So I better wait until I have a bigger hard drive then and get him on that one. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Language?

In Halo 3: ODST, Dare and Buck and all the other ODSTs seem to be speaking some European language...just wondering...--Rollersox (talk) 03:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

mostly they speak english but in places it sounds like spanish or esparanto.  rdunnPLIB  09:14, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the game is also available in multiple languages, so if you saw a YouTube video or something, that may be the case. --Teancum (talk) 09:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Would this European language happen to be English? (is gagged) --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 12:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

two langages are used. English/whatever in the main game. For cutsceans mostly English/whatever is used with a little bit of the other language (ie in a couple of sentances in the cutsceans surrounding the ONI and Phantom/Banshee levels.  rdunnPLIB  12:25, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Nope. I haven't heard any other languages. Are you sure you're not mishearing things? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

its when they are talking about "the book" so it could be latin. rdunnPLIB  10:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

If you're talking about the Bible section in Kikowani Station, that's plain English. Here's the quote I'm thinking of:

Dutch: Well, like the good book says, "Payback's a bitch."

Mickey: I don't think it actually says that, Dutch.

Dutch: I'm paraphrasing, ya heathen!

That's what I think you're talking about, anyway. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Its somewhere else then. (shall we rename the section "foriegn language hunt"?  rdunnalbatross  09:21, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Figured it out. Umm...I had two disks, the second was a multi-language disk, and the first was English. Musta put the multi-language disk in...--Rollersox (talk) 03:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

(sighs) Silly, silly you. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Disk troubles

the disk has troubles loading, a few friends have the same problem I do, when it loads for the first time, takes like forever, and something we observed is that, if something goes wrong, the screen turns blue, you must go to xbox dashboard and try again

Go here. It's already on the article. The source suggests a few things that might work. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

The Super

Does anyone have a source to say whether or not the Superindentent is a smart or a dumb AI? I know "dumb" is a misnomer, but Sadie's Story shows Vergil learning, which I though was smart AI territory. This makes me think that Vergil might be a semi-smart AI trapped in a dumb AI. Does anyone have Bungie's email address to query this? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 11:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

(For: Superindentent) Originaly dumb with some human input "common sense" would be more likely but I think Vergil changes it so it is semi-smart (or smart if you assume the faces it makes are accutal emotions).  rdunnalbatross  11:18, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

So, semi-smart then. It can't be smart because Vergil has existed since Sadie's mother died when she was a child and smart AIs can only live for seven years. While I'm still unsure about changing it to semi-smart in the article, I think we should delete the "dumb" AI reference. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

7 years is for a normal Smart. presumably if the super has merged w/something else that hold the knowledge of the Forerunners then one would assume that rampancy would not be a problem.  rdunnalbatross  09:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

At least, they wouldn't go rampant for a hundred thousand years. Poor, poor Guilty Spark. :P However, Vergil seemed to possess some capability for learning even before it merged with... Vergil the Engineer. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 09:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not a member of wikipedia but just to let you guys know, if you listen carefully to the parts where Sadie's father starts talking, you can hear him talk about Vergil and how he installed him into the Super so while its taking care of the city, its also taking care of Sadie--76.171.82.218 (talk) 06:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

#to Thejadefalcon# which would make it smart/semi smart. (on the rampancy thing) in theory the only smart AIs that exist for 7 years are the ones that the UNSC or ONI know about... the 7 years could be a thing forced by the state. <_< >_>

#to 76.171.82.218# we gathered that......  rdunnalbatross  09:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Dr. Endesha: Yeah, that's where I'm getting all these theories from.

Re: UNSC AIs: I doubt that. They're too useful. The books explain that the AIs simply start thinking too much and they just collapse (Cortana compares it to a human thinking so much that they forget to breath). I think the seven years is merely the fact that humans are just starting out making the things whereas the Forerunners has who knows how long to perfect the technology (well, mostly. Some went rampant quickly (Mendicant Bias from Halo 3, for instance). --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

its unfortunate that Bungie/Microsoft/whoever havent writen when the first AIs were around. _{Hmmmm...... It would be good idea for a book}  rdunnalbatross  10:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, but they obviously don't care for Wikipedia. The new Halo encyclopedia might have some answers though. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Sadie's Story

I was thinking about adding the plot to Sadie's Story as coexists with the main plotline throigh out the game, would that be all right? The Phantomnaut (talk) 06:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Her story is sorta a pretext to the main storyline but its not neccecary to know it to be able to play the game (ie it just extra information).  rdunnalbatross  09:31, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

¿What's wrong with adding more characters?

Besides from the squad, Vergil, Sadie and the cameos from Johnson and Truth, we should add them. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 18:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC))

Only notable characters, only. Vergil, maybe... Truth is a no: he isn't seen or mentioned apart from a few seconds in a Legendary-only cutscene.-- OsirisV (talk) 19:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I would say Vergil might be okay, but I'm unsure how to do so without mentioning Sadie and Dr Endesha et all. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Boxart

The actual boxart needs to be used in the infobox (i.e. with the Xbox 360 banner). The only time a cropped version of a boxart is used is if the game is a multi-platform release and the cropped version is platform neutral. Otherwise the actual boxart is used. TJ Spyke

Who says? A cropped image is not misrepresenting the game and in fact is optimal, as there is less copyrighted information and we get more important art resolution for a smaller file size as required by WP:NFCC. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 19:31, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Being cropped doesn't change the copyright status a single bit, the current image has the same legal copyright status as the full image. It also would not change the size at all if uploaded correctly. Cropping is only done as a last resort, the current image is not how the game is presented and should be replaces by the actual boxart. TJ Spyke 20:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

It's still a non-free image of course. But there's less copyrighted elements. Let's put it this way: there is nothing in any policy or guideline that says I cannot. I think you would have a hard time convincing anyone I am criminally misrepresenting the work by uploading said image. Please do not classify my edits as vandalism; I'm interested in improving this article and keeping it up to spec. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 20:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

You DID vandalize the page when you reverted my edit. If you had bothered to actually check the edit you would realize that (either you vandalized the page or you were too lazy to actually read my edit. It's one or the other, vandal or lazy). Your image is not any less copyrighted than the real boxart. I did not say you were committing a crime, I am merely stating that the article should be as accurate as possible, and that includes using the real boxart rather than some un-necessarily cropped version. TJ Spyke 20:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Jeez, please assume good faith. You added unnecessary content (the lead does not need references for sourced body content); I did not at least label your content vandalism and then threaten you on your talk page. Cropped box art is and always has been acceptable (after all, wouldn't cropping it for multi-platform releases be just as bad, because you're still not showing the 'real' box art?) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 21:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I added a source to the sales number (from a very reliable source), and you reverted it back to the version with the "citation needed" tag for the number. You either were trying to vandalize the page or you just blindly hit the Undo edit button without looking at my edit. Second, I did not threaten you. I left a message telling you not to vandalize the page again, would you have preferred if I just used the generic warning template instead? Cropped boxart has only recently started being acceptable, and that was only to avoid edit wars over which console boxart to use (people would keep switching between the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 boxarts, for example). It's always been acceptable to use the full boxart for single system releases, this also looks better. I don't care for the cropped art for multi-platform releases, but I understand the reason we do it. There is no reason to do it for single system releases though. TJ Spyke 21:41, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

So... you have no policy-based reason for not using the current image? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 21:43, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Disc-Read Issues

So that it can actually remain on the article for once, can someone find a better citation for this?

Several users have reported being unable to play the game on their console with the disc either skipping or the console declaring it unreadable. It was originally reported to only happen on older Xbox 360 units, but it has also been reported to occur on the newer consoles. Bungie is currently looking into the issue.

Thank you. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Halo 3: ODST/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MuZemike 03:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Most the most part, pretty good. A few issues I have seen in the article:

Grammar/style/MOS issues

• Gameplay section

• • Since the player does not possess Master Chief's advanced armor and reflexes, he cannot jump as high or move as fast. Kind of ambiguous. You start with the "player" and then end with "he" which I'm assuming is the Rookie character.

• • It also includes an open world environment. What is "it" referring to? Having "it" in there makes it look like that sentence is misplaced or something. I'd clarify a bit more there as to what you mean.
    • The "it" part is corrected. I tried moving that sentence to the first paragraph as I think it fits better up there than in the 2nd paragraph. Feel free to move it around or perhaps expand on the concept if there are better options available. MuZemike 19:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
      • I expanded a bit on the open-world, so it now reads "The game features an open world environment in the fictional African city of New Mombasa." Anakinjmt (talk) 19:48, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
  • The team has a collective pool of lives, which is added to after set rounds,... do the number of lives increase after a set number of rounds? That could also be clarified a bit more there (I'm assuming a "set number" of rounds, BTW).

• • As players progress inside Firefight, they will get more and more characters to unlock. The second part of the sentence needs to be rewritten to better reflect what happens in the game as players progress.

• Synopsis section
  • I believe "Covenant", being a collective noun, is supposed to be used in the singular form, as already done in the other Halo articles. The sentences would need to be changed to reflect that.

• • It had downloaded the Superintendent's data into itself and Dare's mission is to escort it to safety. This needs a rewrite. Again, "it" seems ambiguous while the sentence quickly jumps to Dare's mission, which I don't think is written correctly or complements with the first part of the sentence (if what I said makes any sense).

• Release section
  • Alongside extensive promotions through Xbox Live, online, print, and television advertising. Sentence fragment. I'm not quite sure what's supposed to be said, so I have to leave it to you to insert whatever missing words needed there.

• Reception section
  • The contrast between the Rookie's nighttime segments and the more fast-paced vignettes was praised; Passive voice. Recommend making that active voice, including the reviewer who made said statement.

Verifiability issues

• In the Audio subsection, Because the game tells a "human story, not a cyborg story", O'Donnell said, the score was more "intimate and personal". The sentence needs a citation as we are dealing with a quote.

• In the Release section, This code is included only by certain retailers I am not seeing where this is verified.

Other things to remember

• Watch out for the 2nd-person "you". Should be third-person.

• Don't forget WP:ALT text in the images, which are required when this article approaches FA. (I'm saying "when" as opposed to "if" because I don't think it needs too much more to meet FA standards, apart from better sourcing in the Plot section.)

Otherwise, everything else looks pretty good. I'll put it on hold pending corrections to the issues noted above. MuZemike 03:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the review! A couple of questions: What sentences in "Synopsis" aren't written in the proper form re: Covenant? As for "you", the only times I see it are for developer quotes... it would be kind of awkward to recast all those. Other than that, I think I've addressed your concerns. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 15:40, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

For the first question, I believe "Covenant" is a singular noun in this case, so the verb would need to also be singular. For example, During the events of the 2004 video game Halo 2, the Covenant discover the location of Earth and launch an assault on the city of New Mombasa in Africa. → should be discovers and launches, which I also believe is consistent with the other Halo articles that involve the Covenant.

For the second question, I meant more specifically in the Gameplay section where they were unquoted (I already went ahead and fixed those). MuZemike 16:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Concerning O'Donnell mentioning that the score was more intimate and personal, I'm pretty sure that was in either the most recent ViDoc or that behind-the-scenes video released shortly before ODST came out. I'll watch them again to verify, but I'm unsure how those would be cited. Any ideas? Anakinjmt (talk) 18:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

There is a {{cite video}} template for stuff like that. MuZemike 18:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

David already added the source in there, and I verified it, so that's good. MuZemike 19:03, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

See my comment/query above with regards to the "open world environment" sentence. Unless there are better suggestions at the moment, I think that's it. Also, don't forget on citations #59 and #60 to use the {{cite web}} templates. MuZemike 19:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

• One more suggestion that I'd make is a bit more consistency with regards to the Rookie. I'm seeing the Rookie, "the Rookie", and just the Rookie so we need to pick one and go with it. Slightly related, but do we need to include "the" in italics/quotes? Wouldn't just "Rookie" or Rookie be best? It's not like his official name or title is "the Rookie", just like Master Chief isn't "the Master Chief." Anakinjmt (talk) 19:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
  • I've made it uniform, save for the first mention where Rookie is put in quotes; I feel that makes it clearer that it's a moniker, not his real name. The citations are all formatted (I cut one because it wouldn't stand up to RS scrutiny at FAC, and its covered in the Bungie.net ref anyhow.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 21:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Right. If you look at WP:MoS#Use of "The" mid-sentence, the word "the" in this case would be lowercase while the actual title "Rookie" is obviously capitalized. MuZemike 23:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

All right. I'm guessing that settles the "Rookie" consistency issue. Passed. MuZemike 23:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

"Varied enemies"

Doesn't sound right at all. When you read it, it makes it seem like you don't only fight Covenant, but Flood, Foreunner machinery etc. in Firefight when the Covenant is your only enemy in both multiplayer and campaign. (186.80.205.96 (talk) 22:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC))

I think it works if you know that the Covenant are formed of multiple species, which is stated in the lead paragraph. I say it's fine as it is, but you were right to question it. Wikipedia wouldn't get better if people didn't question how to make things better. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 23:01, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you consider the lone police officer when you have 29 out of 30 Audio Files who you end up killing, then you could TECHNICALLY say varied enemies. But I think it's fine how it is. Besides, varied enemies to me means "I fight Grunts, Jackals, Brutes, Hunters, and Drones." Anakinjmt (talk) 23:37, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm planning to ignore him now. Use him as cannon fodder, then leg it to Dare. :P --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 23:42, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

You forgot the Engineers. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 00:37, 28 October 2009 (UTC))

Orphaned references in Halo 3: ODST

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Halo 3: ODST's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "igntrailer":

• From Halo (series): Sanders, Kathleen (2006-05-09). "E3 2k6: Halo 3 Trailer Impressions". IGN. Retrieved 2007-06-25. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |DUPLICATE_publisher= ignored (help)
• From Halo 3: Sanders, Kathleen (2006-05-09). "E3 2k6: Halo 3 Trailer Impressions". IGN. Retrieved 2007-06-25. ...rendered in real-time on the Xbox 360 using the current version of the Halo 3 engine. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |DUPLICATE_publisher= ignored (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 08:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

"Romeo saves Buck from an Engineer"?

I believe that Covenant Engineers are harmless, correct? If it was "save" then the reader who hasn't played the game or read any books or seen anything about Halo up to now is going to presume that an Engineer will harm humans.--Rollersox (talk) 20:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 20:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)