Talk:Halo 3/Archive 2

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Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Archive 4

Archive 5

Needler

It never says in the cited article that the needler will not be dual weildable. Please do not post non-factual information. --Justaperson117 00:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't edit the article, but it's known for a fact the Needler is now only single wieldable. It's on the Bungie site (Honestly, I can't be bothered looking) and in the EGM blowout which I have personally read. 81.109.94.62 18:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

LEVEL Halo 3 Blowout

Swedish gaming magazine called LEVEL has a Halo 3 blowout, showing several new weapons, including a Brute Spiker, a Spartan Laser, and the Battle Rifle. These are confirmed please do not delete them. Peptuck 15:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It may be confirmed via this magazine, but due to copywright law on Wikipedia.org, do not upload the scans to the Wikipedia servers.Darthbob100 16:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep Bungie confirmed them [1] as being legit but they also don't want copyright troubles. I must admit they look cool:) James086^{Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review!} 16:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The Mongoose ATV is also featured, and nicknamed "Mini-Warthog".

Where is this alternate name for the Spartan Laser coming from? I haven't seen it in any confirmed media released thus far. until I can get a cite, I'm removing it. Peptuck 03:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I've replaced links to scans, they were already there but remove if copyright infringement. Also, someone should make a section for multiplayer and a section for singleplayer.. Sir Teh 21:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Why was the BR55 Battle Rifle deleted? Any reason? Superbowlbound 02:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Enemies

How is it that the Covenant are enemies again? @ the end of the second one many species were allied with the humans.Cameron Nedland 01:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The only allies were the small group of elites on Delta Halo (and that was an uneasy truce to stop tartarus) and a small group of marines. The elites still attacked the Maser Chief on the last few levels when they were done fighting brutes. They are still attacking Earth. However please don't let this turn into a discussion of the Halo storyline, it is a talk page for discussing changes to the article. :) James086^{Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review!} 03:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

No. You have one group of Elites with some Hunters who are not shooting at humans and a pair of humans who are not shooting at Elites and Hunters, and both groups shooting at a group of Brutes because said Brutes are committing genocide of Elites and attempting to spell the end of the galaxy, all on a remote corner of a remote ringworld many light-years away from where the vast, extended majority of the Covenant and humanity are still merrily blasting the hell out of each other. There is only a brief, tenuous alliance that has absolutely no indication of spreading outward to the vast majority of either sides' remaining forces. Peptuck 04:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

What he said! James086^{Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review!} 04:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad.Cameron Nedland 17:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

It also should be noted that in Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, the Elites are still quite intent on killing humans even after the revolution begins. So clearly the truce is either limited in scope or timeframe. Peptuck 09:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

However, Delta Halo is a far way from most of the fleet, which is probly attacking Earth, so they probly haven't heard of the truth yet. Plus, Ghosts of Onyx doesn't nessesary take place during Halo 3, just after Halo 2 (as well as diffrent pionts in the timeline), so at the end of Halo 3 the Chief might be teaming up with the sepretists.The Gamer 13 9:12 PM 11/27/06

1up 3 weeks

[2] JAF1970 04:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Spike Grenade?

How it that the image used as a reference shows a spike grenade? There is a frag going off in the far left. There appears to be spikes coming off the warthog turret but I think they are just sparks. Has the article been translated into English and I missed something? James086^{Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review!} 06:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Look right up at the top in the centre of thee sky of that picture.

To me that looks like a spiked club or some new alien weapon (flying from someone's dead hands?), not a grenade. That looks big, like a sniper-rifle size, not grenade sized. James086^{Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review!} 12:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that looks like that Spike Grenade, or maybe even a club like James was talking about. Tonster^{User talk:Tonster} 15:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC}

The spike gernade looks like a club. Pick up a copy of EGM, they have a good picture of it.

Bungie recently put up an article that explained three of the new multiplayer map screenshots. They said that the object at the top middle of the screen was a Spike Grenade. There is also a two per grenade limit, now. Blazing Dur 2:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, that thing is huge for a grenade. I just saw that you can see the person in the top right corner has thrown it (a red spartan). James086^{Talk | Contribs} 04:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Must be able to do some damage or stick to someone when it hits a player, but it has small damage?

Mongoose ATV UNSC Designation

Does anyone have a official UNSC Designation for the Mongoose ATV that we could use in the Confirmed Elements section? Tonster 15:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Mini-Warthog. LMAO JAF1970 21:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Halo 3 preorders have begun

Added the pricing structure. JAF1970 18:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Image of the Legendary edition is here, but am unsure of the rights to the image. If someone gets the rights to post it, please do. JAF1970 20:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Moreover, Microsoft nor Bungie has actually announced any sort of pricing detail.Darthbob100 01:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. I listed what EB Games and Gamestop are charging. It's subject to change, sure, but...JAF1970 02:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Eh, for now, just keep it like that. But when any sort of pricing detail happens...well, you know the drill. darthbob 06:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

1UP corrects Halo 3 rumors

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154831 I'm too tired to update -- someone else sort out the stuff in this big news item. :) JAF1970 04:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's called a Man Cannon. Just because it's a silly name doesn't mean it's not real, and Bungie states it's the name they're going with.JAF1970 16:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Stop removing it. It's a real name for a real feature in the game. Don't like it? Contact Bungie and complain. Whether it's a vehicle or a catapult weapon is questionable -- if you want to categorize it as a weapon, fine, but it's both a weapon and a transport.JAF1970 17:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I just want to say i feel very strong right now for not snickering everytime i read the words Man Cannon WookMuff 06:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

---Im not sure the final name for it will be "Man Cannon". The people at Bungie call it that and I quote(taken from the EGM's Halo 3 blow-out article): "We call it the Man Cannon becuase it makes us laugh."

HALO 3 BLOW OUT INFO! YOU CAN THANK ME LATER!!!!!!!!!!!1111ONE 11!!1!ONE !!!111ONE!!!ONE!!111

Okay you guys got THREE days to add all this info in, or that's it, I will.

info 1 - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/743/743189p1.html

info 2 - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/742/742313p1.html

Zabrak 01:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, Zabrak, whatever would we do without you... ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 01:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice finds. :) —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 03:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Vehicles and Weapons

I'm re-adding the Wraith to the vehicle list, it was confirmed by Bungie yesterday.

"Posted: 11/2/2006 6:01 PM

Minus 12, huh? I guess that's what happens when one experiments with interactions between various things and the Man Cannon. I still need to see if I can get a wraith up there though. -Tom Achronos Bungie.net Overlord"[3] darthbob 19:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone have confirmation of this "combat knife" allegedly on the back of a spartan's leg? Also "Gas Warthog" is that supposed to be Gauss, is it confirmed? Spectre and double barreled shotgun? They have been added at the same time as the multiplayer maps. James086^{Talk | Contribs} 08:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The Assault Rifle, is now called the MA5C Assault Rifle; don't change it back.darthbob 20:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC) [4]

The Combat Knife hasn't been confirmed, but hasn't been denied yet. I figure we should either keep it out altogether or put in a notation that it's just rumored. As for the DB shotgun and the Spectre, nothing there yet. Though the Shotgun might as well be confirmed (Double Barrel or not), since it's one of the most popular guns in the game. Also, Bungie mentioned the variant "Zombies", which is played with shotguns, in this month's EGM. Quadrius 19:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Why do people keep changing "Spiker" back to "Spike Rifle"? Both Bungie and EGM have consistently called the new Brute gun the Spiker. Also, it is what it is commonly known as around fan forums, esp. at Bungie.net and halo.bungie.org. It should be left as "Spiker" for this wiki article. JGoodman 08:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Drones

Whatever happened to the Drones? Have they been confirmed or not?

A Lone Gamer 10:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

They haven't been confirmed but that doesn't rule them out of the game, but it does mean we can't add them to this article. James086^{Talk | Contribs} 05:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

Seriously, people. The "confirmed facts" and such is WAY out of hand. There are actually several pages of info there now, in a section that really shouldn't be there at all technically. I'm going to pare it down to the essentials. gspawn 04:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense.--SUIT^What?⁴² 04:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

To explain some cuts and prevent hasty reverts... we don't need to quote the devs on every little thing- as in literally, stop quoting the devs. Most of the quotes didn't really do anything other than expound on simple info (new materials system = "zOMG j00 can zee it moves!", etc). If weapons are worth talking about, they're probably worth just adding to the list of confirmed weapons instead of talking about them. Etc. Things that are left are more-or-less significant bits, such as the recognition of the female audience through potential female voice additions, listing the price of the various SKUs, big plot details that even people outside the Halo fanverse might care about... this is an encyclopedia, not a fanboy one-stop-shop. You want a gaming site for that. End blurb. gspawn 04:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Also made some minor cuts to the release info- bits like old sections confirming guns were still in when we have a weapons section, some parts were unnecessarily paraphed, etc. The section could use some cuts (Halo 3 might not come out for another year and it's already getting too long), but it's my naptime. gspawn 04:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Article doesn't seem to be in too bad a shape right now, and several editors are keeping a close eye on vandalism and unconfirmed nonsense. Any objection to removing the {{cleanup}} tag? -- Satori Son 06:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I personally find that {{cleanup}} can be pointless for a section/article of any length because it gives no indication of what the tagger found wrong. I removed the tag along with a big chunk of "The Ark" analysis that amounted to original research (you can't piece together observation-based "evidence" like that on Wikipedia to advance a point, even if it's credible), and tagged the "Other confirmed facts" section with {{toomuchtrivia}} (should be rewritten as prose eventually and/or integrated into other sections). Other than that, there is a list-heavy section, but I'm not worried about that long-term, because, thinking long-term the entire article will need to be rewritten anyway after release. — TKD::Talk 07:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

ANOTHER HALO 3 BLOWOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1ONE ONE ONE111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111!!!!

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3155227

Bungie addresses fan complaints with Halo 3.

by Luke Smith, 11.13.2006

Zabrak 01:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed much of that post--you don't need to copy/paste the entire article; the link alone suffices (not to mention the article is most likely copyrighted). Ourai ^т _с 02:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks man

Just wanted to thank whoever cleaned up my trivia addition. Bungies been known to do this and the Marathon symbol has been spotted countless times in both previous Halos so this is likely permanent.

Assault Rifle Emblems

There are two distinct emblems on the side of the AR, as can be plainly seen in the Campaign screenshot. The Marathon emblem can be seen embossed on the rifle just above the trigger guard, while the glowing green power button is located further up the rifle. Do not claim that the Marathon logo is also the power button. - Jason, 4:10 EST

And? This is fancruft, at best. Peptuck 02:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Release Date Info

I might be wrong here, but the PS3 has been released, and Halo 3 hasn't. An edit of the section regarding this rumor needs to be made. Quadrius 19:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Something else needs to be mentioned in regards to the release date. Bungie has said nothing regarding a release date. Not a specific day, not a specific month, not a specific season or quarter. All they've said is the vague "2007". Granted, the annoucement that a public beta will come out in the Spring means that the game will not likely come out anytime in the first half of 2007 (definitely not Q1) and narrows the possible range of release dates down to Q3 or Q4, but that's all it does. People really need to stop adding things like "Holiday 2007" or "November 2007". All we know is that Halo 3 will come out next year some time after the public beta. "TBA 2007" should suffice for a release. JGoodman 07:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Halo 3: Legendary and Collectors Editions

In addition to the normal released game there will be a Legendary Edition and a Collector's Edition released, (source = http://www.allgame.com/cg/agg.dll?p=agg&sql=1:51211, http://www.allgame.com/cg/agg.dll?p=agg&sql=1:51212, if that does not work go to allgames.com and type halo into the search space)

Reference tags

Reference tags are acting kind of screwy. I've tried referencing a source on the plasma pistol, but when I use the <ref> tags it references an incorrect link. Can someone figure out what I'm doing wrong here? Peptuck 23:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

All of the references need a going over. Some don't even link to anywhere. -th1rt3en 23:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I have cleaned up one of them (reference number 3 [5]). I used the Web Cite which is what is advised for that sort of thing. I don't have time to go through right now, I will come back later and do some more, but there are quite a few so if more people could help that would be much appreciated. Simply putting <ref></ref> tags makes it a bit screwy but the citation templates work well (that's why they're used on featured articles). James086^{Talk | Contribs} 02:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleted Post

Who deleted my post about the pre-order stuff? I hate when people do that! This is supposed to be a FREE discussion board. SO STOP DELETING OTHER PEOPLE's POSTS! So Im going to repost it, and this time dont delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gundam94 (talk • contribs)

I think that you are misunderstanding the purpose of the talk page. Talk pages are meant for discussing matters related to the Wikipedia article on the subject at hand, not necessarily the subject itself. There's a difference. Anyone caring to know about the three editions of Halo 3 can (or should be able to) find that info in the article itself. — TKD::Talk 22:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

TKD is right. When you get a chance, you should probably read Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines to help prevent any further misunderstandings. Thanks, Satori Son 00:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Status of Elites as "enemies"

"Enemies"... Covenant Covenant Elites (Sangheili) Covenant Grunts (Unggoy)[16] Covenant Hunters (Lekgolo)[15] Covenant Jackals (Kig-Yar)[15] Covenant Brutes (Jiralhanae)[17] Unknown enemy, "something larger than a Grunt"...

I thought the Elites, Grunts, Hunters, and Jackals were on the humans side

Human+ELite VS Brutes+Prophet

or

(Human+Elite)-VS -(Brutes+Prophet) VS Flood (common enemy of both sides)

DrakeKobra 19:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

This is how the factions stand right now:

Humans: UNSC, Master Chief

Separatists: Elites, Grunts (most), Hunters

Covenant: Hierarchs (Truth), Prophets, Brutes, Jackals, Drones

Flood: Commander Form (Gravemind), Infection Forms, Combat Forms, Carrier Forms, Brain Forms

It's unknown as to whether or not the Seperatists and Humans will be fighting alongside each other. Only the Arbiter has seen the truth about Halo thus far and remained on Delta Halo--there's no word on whether or not the others know as well. Amalga 19:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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BTW, Isn't Pre-order Stuff still pertaining to the subject? (What else do you do besides talk on a talk page?)

just asking —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrakeKobra (talk • contribs) 13:11, November 25, 2006

At this point, we don't know almost anything about Halo 3's plot, much less who is allied with whom. Things might even change in-game, as they did in Halo 2. Making any guesses would be original research, and not permissible under Wikipolicy. Leaving the Covenant as enemies by default seems the best thing to do until Bungie releases more information. As for the pre-order information, discussion about it is not exactly the most relevant thing for a talk page. The Talk: namespace is used fir discussion about how to make an article better, not as a forum for discussion about the subject itself, if possible. Hope that clears a few things up. Ourai ^т _с 21:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanx for answering my question about Preorder info, But...

I understand the preorder thing, but shouldn't the enemies/allies page be listed as what we know about it so far, and change it accordingly if it would be wrong? I mean all we now are a few leaks and the knowledge gathered from the last game. It probably should be listed as how we KNOW it was until we KNOW if the Covenant turns. Besides if they do turn, it would be a bad decision for them, because they wouldn't have ANY allies, plus the marines/spartans and the Covenent elites (Arbiter, Hunters, Jackals, Elites, and Grunts) both have the same goal(s): prevent the index from being activated, destroy the Flood, and destroy the Brutes and the Prophet of Truth. Leaving them as enemies would be guessing, listing them as allies would be better, because so far We KNOW they are on our side from last game. If you want a reference, play the last lvl of HALO 2.

and you spelled "for" wrong.

DrakeKobra 22:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

If we did know that all Elite were on the Humans' side going into Halo 3, then it would be different. I haven't played Halo 2 in a while, but from what I can recall, the Elite-Brute Civil War did nothing to change relations between the Elite as a whole and humans. Granted, the Arbiter sided with Keys at Halo 2's end, but the Arbiter does not speak for his race as a whole. The thing is, we don't know enough about the plot of Halo 3 (or Halo 2, for that matter) to say for certain that all Elite are on the side of the humans. Sure, it would make perfect sense for them to be, but extrapolating information is not our job. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a Halo 3 speculation forum; we can only publish content that is factually true, as opposed to something that's likely to be true. (Besides, Bungie is known for its creative use of plot twists; speculating on Bungie is extremely hard to say the least, given their track record.) Ourai ^т _с 22:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm

I guess you're right, but i thought the elites were on the humans side to keep the index from being activated. Wait, how do you know that the elites aren't on our side. it could be either way. ...starting to wonder about the benifits of an enemies page...

my COmputers starting to crash, might not post for a while...

DrakeKobra 16:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Elites have not aligned with humans. According to Halo: Ghosts of Onyx the Elites are still very hostile toward humanity, even as of the conclusion of Halo 2. Peptuck 04:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If you want physical proof of COvenant Alliance, read this

                                 ________
                               -~-|Cutscene|-~-
  ===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---
  |                                                                      |
  |   Now back to the Arbiter, it's time to stop the key from turning.   |
  |   Tartarus must be stopped. However, he has locked himself in that   |
  |   structure. The Commander knows of one way to break through those   |
  |   doors however...                                                   |
  |                                                                      |
  ===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---

  ===============================
   - Your Ass, My Size-24 Hoof -
  ===============================

    >> Crush any Brutes in your path.

You start off with a few choices. You can either take the Wraith, Spectre, or a Ghost that will engage you up ahead. For starters, I chose the Wraith for its superior firepower and the fact that I utterly despise the Spectre. Anyway, begin to move through the area following your Commander. Various Brutes will appear in Ghosts. Hijack one if you'd or like or blast the crap out of all of them. Move your vehicle through the forest floor taking down any Ghosts that get in your way....

Have your team of newly escaped Elites and Hunters help you knock out the remaining Brutes. With the Hunters help, they should be easily killed off. The door will lead you into another hallway which in turn, leads you to the platform with the Scarab. However, there are numerous Brutes here which need some schooling. Surprisingly, there are Marines here... to help you! The Scarab is just ahead...

You are the arbiter; read last paragraph ( surprisingly there are marines here... TO HELP YOU!)

FULL WALKTHROUGH (http://faqs.ign.com/articles/571/571758p1.html)

(for references look for The Great Journey)

....*Now that Tartarus has died the horrible death, and the perimeter is secure,

   Daughter Keyes leaps onto the center platform and pulls the Icon out of the
   launcher. Disaster averted. The Halo abort sequence is initiated, and a
   small explosion results. Another twist is added to the story. Because of
   the abort sequence being initiated, the Halo ring has split into several
   different subsections, each which can be remotely detonated aboard the
   Forerunner ship. Oh boy. The Arbiter joins with the Marines to help fight
   off the chance of a threat.*

- From here on, the credits display showing the entire Bungie staff and associates responsible for Halo 2. Afterwards, if you wait, another movie is shown....

The Arbiter JOINS with the Marines to help fight
   off the chance of a threat!

If you notice this happens at the end of the game, signaling that at least for a while, the Covenant elites ( not brutes) are on OUR SIDE.

(http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox/file/halo_2_h.txt)

FULL Walkthrough (look for great Journey)

There's my proof!

(For now computer is back up but not for long...)

DrakeKobra 21:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

This is not evidence of an alliance; it is evidence of a single group of Elites and humans fighting side by side against a mutual threat, with no indications it will hold. In Halo: Ghosts of Onyx the Elites are still hostile toward humans even during the civil war and afterward on Onyx. Peptuck 02:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I Know

Who said anything about the alliance or whatever you want to call it holding? All i said was that since the index is still in danger of being activated, the elites will fight side by side no matter if both sides depise each other, until the index is destroyed or in no danger of being activated. Then after they are destroyed, the humans and aliens an go back to senselessly beating each others brains out.

Also, rember that this is the END of an epic video game trilogy, so ingame sometime, keep in mind, it finishes with Halo 3, whether we allie, bcome neutral, destroy the covenant, or humanity is wiped off the face of the earth (and/or wherever else we are).

I'm hoping the first happens, or at least the last option does not.

DrakeKobra 21:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The point I'm making is not that the alliance won't hold, but that the alliance in Halo 2 is an isolated event. Voro and his forces in Ghosts of Onyx are entirely willing and wanting to fight and kill humans even after the events on Delta Halo. If Voro is any indication, then the vast majority of the Elites and their associated forces will still be hostile toward humans. Peptuck 05:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thats what I'm saying, since they have to be on our side UNTIL index is deactivated, then TEMPORARILY the Arbiter and HIS group of elites should be (for now) "allies" I didn't say anything about the "vast majority of blahblahblah" im talking about the Arbiter, his Hunters, his Jackals, His ELites, and his grunts. Its even stated that SGT. Johnson "hates the Arbiters guts" But (read carefully) is FORCED to work with the Arbiter and his team to DEACTIVATE the INDEX(ES). the BRUTES and the rest of the elites are in all manners hostile against everyone else. THe ARBITER is CURRENTLY on our side. (CURRENTLY) being the key word in that sentence. plus i get the feeling that not everyone on this talk forum has an NPOV. if you did you would see that it IS as much pure speculation to view ALL the elites as enemies as would be to list them as allies. WE DON'T KNOW YET!

btw, sorry if i over use my emphasis on CAPITAL letters. =D

DrakeKobra 15:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. At the end of Halo 2, the Arbiter and a small group of Elite are (at least temporarily) on the side of the Marines, as evidenced by their coöperation. However, the vast majority of Elite do not know about this alliance. The Arbiter did not inform all Elite of his temporary truce; therefore, I assume that most Elite do not know that a small band has "allied" with the Marines temporarily. Thus, I assume that the vast majority of Elite (namely, those that you would fight in-game) are unaware of the truce, and will still be hostile towards Master Chief.

Also, in the interest of organization and clarity, I am merging all of the sections related to this discussion under one header, so that it is simpler to read through. Ourai ^т _с 23:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I never said that all of the Elites are enemies, but I did say that a majority of them are very likely to be. Because Elites still remain hostile to the Master Chief during the civil war, and because we have no indication that any of the other Elites are aligned and we have incontrovertible proof of at least one large force of Elites remaining steadfast enemies and Elites have always been an enemy race against the Master Chief even during the civil war, it is extremely likely that they to remain enemies for at least part of Halo 3. Peptuck 07:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, if we're going to nitpick about whether we have confirmation on who is on whose side, there's no indication that Marines will be allies in Halo 3 either. That isn't confirmed, but we're "speculating" that they are allies, for precisely the same reasons that we're "speculating" that Elites will be enemies. Peptuck 08:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

This argument is kind of pointless until the game comes out, plus we're taking up a lot of unnessecary space on the talk page. Also, it seems like both sides are saying the same thing, so this argument isn't really an argument...(go figure...) So... to sign off the end of a very long rant...

DrakeKobra 14:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Is ghosts of onyx canon? I haven't read any of the Halo novels but does Bungie view their canonicity as absolute? I mean that even novels written by people working for the makers can be retconned if the developer takes the storyline a different way in the future, right? I am just curious as to bungie's take on this. In my mind, however, the fact that humans work with the Arbiter is somewhat cancelled out by every single creature on High Charity attacking the Master Chief. I think the Arbiter's human friendliness is better explained by the fact that the PC killing humans is something that the Halo universe is yet to embrace outside of multiplayer WookMuff 08:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The Halo novels are considered canon, yes. Bungie has stated outright that they consider them to be canon for the Halo universe, and Ghosts of Onyx was developed with very close Bugnie input to ensure that it did mesh with other Halo canon. Peptuck 08:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

HELP!

Why are there still sections about rumors that have been confirmed/denied? (The PS3 release Halo 3 release, The different assault rifle, and others)
Why are the new machmaking elements not covered? The new system is based on both a skill, and experience ranking
Why is nothing said about the new ability to have a call sign?
Has no one read 1up's Halo 3 super article!!??!!

I'm just saying there are some GLARING ommisions in this article. I'd fix it myself, but i forget my Wikipedia account. Someone fix it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.154.77.164 (talk • contribs) 17:55, November 29, 2006

Confirming or denying things is not as easy as one might think; it's not like we can ask Bungie, rather, we have to wait until they release information. Callsign and matchmaking are still very much, as Bungie said, under development; it would be foolish to add them as facts when they haven't been hammered out yet. And yes, most Halo 3 fans have probably read 1UP's article [note several headings above this]; however, the article didn't actually tell us that much new stuff; it just confirmed a whole lot of rumours and suspicions. Ourai ^т _с 00:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

Surprised to see that none of the new screenshots for Halo3 aren't even posted, still seing the same old ones.--Ripster40 22:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

....I think you know why.

Release Update

Official Australian Xbox Magazine are calling the release date "April 2007 (TBC)" in their Christmas issue. You might want to consider changing the release date, fellahs. OAXM have never been wrong yet. ThirdEchelon 11:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I have read OAXM a few times, I wouldn't trust a release date unless it's directly from bungie because magazines are known for adding release dates to their articles when they are unfounded estimations. Especially if OAXM is the only source, it seems highly unlikely that it is confirmed. I recommend waiting for another source and not adding it to the article yet. James086^{Talk | Contribs} 13:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't the word OFFICIAL mean anything? Bungie works for Microsoft, Microsoft hands out the word official, seems like a proper chain of command to me? WookMuff 08:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The word "OFFICIAL" means very little when it comes to mags. If it was offical why do they have "TBC" after the the date (To Be Confirmed), and why would a fairly minor mag (in world terms) like OAXM break the story when Microsoft/Bungie could make a big song and dance about it (MTV etc...)? I'd wait for a better source before taking time off work :) vortex 04:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the bit about a minor magazine, but I'm assuming that they got the date from the OXM World Network, and that is a pretty major network. Oh, and I'm *ahem* self employed. I consider this part of my work. :) ThirdEchelon 22:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

They said Forerunner was official, and look how it turned out.

Bungie made a RVB reference. Possibly something more?

On a Halo 3 picture, if you look at the left rear wheel of a warthog it says "PUMA". Red Vs Blue fans would know what I am talking about.

Just got it. http://www.1up.com/do/slideshow?pager.offset=3&mt=0&cId=3144308&mId=3090602 There you go.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.30.166 (talk • contribs) 18:11, December 2, 2006

Interesting. Here's a higher resolution image (absurdly high, in fact). The letters PUMA do indeed appear in the rear left wheel, on the inside, where the tread meets the engine assembly. It's interesting to note this. Bungie's approval of RvB continues to manifest itself. Ourai ^т _с 00:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I tried finding it before but I couldn't.

What is the other thing it says (just to the right of PUMA), I can't see what it says exactly. It may just be a serial number or something. Any suggestions? It might be a bit like the AYBABTU in the original Halo, very hard to read but worth it, then again, it could be nothing. James086^{Talk | Contribs} 05:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

It was hard to find puma the first time... It looks to me like a bunch of letters. ANO(AO or M.)Doesn't look like anything to me.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.30.166 (talk • contribs)

So just a serial number or something along those lines. Oh well. James086^{Talk | Contribs} 06:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think that may the initals or even the name of the company that makes pumas.

Spartan Anti vehicle weapon

ON the picture of the Spartan Anti vehicle weapon underneath where it says danger it says "Darn Live Wires". What the heck does that mean?

DrakeKobra 14:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

"Danger Live Wires" actually. Means a warning that there's a high-voltage current running through wires that can electrocute you. Peptuck 05:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Halo 3 ad up on Marketplace

Hopefully, Bungie will also post the ad on their site for screen capturing. JAF1970 03:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Already done. Ourai ^т _с 03:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

assault rifle in the new trailer?

although the article says it, i'm pretty sure that the masterchief is holding a shotgun. i have watched it many times on my tv because i recorded it, and i am quite sure it is a shotgun he is holding in the new trailer. perhaps this should be changed. -jrass820 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jrass820 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

It's clearly an assault rifle. If you look at Bungie's screencap of the trailer, you'll see the distinctive foregrip, as well as the slightly elongated muzzle. Compare with Halo's AR and Halo's shottie. Ourai ^т _с 04:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I think you should note that the shotgun you showed was halo 1 version, not halo 2.

OMG HALO 3 COMMERCIAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp3odmhwlRQ I'd add it to the page but it's protected. Can a user please add it on? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.34.30.166 (talk) 04:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

we don't link to youtube. Broken Segue 04:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Darn. This would be awesome material...

I have Capture Professional. Took the shot of Master Chief and his Shield Grenade. When the HD version of the ad is released, I'm sure someone will put a higher quality pic up. JAF1970 04:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks man. The brute and wraith picture is kinda blurry, but it was in quick motion, so its fine.

That is NOT a commercial. It is a trailer for HALO 3. They have just recently released a second trailer for the game.

Hmmmm... Well lets see. It was on Tv which its sole purpose is for advertising by COMERCIALS, It was during a ESPN Football game where they air COMMERCIALS, and that bungie themselves says its a COMMERCIAL on their site.

Bubble Shield Device (was: Unnamed shield device)

Added the strange shield device that MC slammed to the ground like a grenade. I called it an "Unnamed plasma shield device/grenade". Any word from Bungie on what it is? JAF1970 05:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

None, but I removed the word "plasma", because I think you meant it's a shield designed to stop plasma, but it could be read as a shield made of plasma. Anyway. Bronzey 05:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It's no biggie. I suspect we'll find out the real info soon enough from Bungie. JAF1970 05:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

By the way, it'll be interesting to see how the device is utilized in the game. Apparently

1. You slam the device to the ground
- 1a. Can you throw it to protect someone else?
2. You must remain immobile while the device is activated
3. The duration of the device is just a few seconds JAF1970 05:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm wondering what happens if someone is on the edge? Do they get pushed out? Does half their body get protected? Do they get cut in half? Also could you combine that with a grenade to concentrate the blast inside the shield? James086^{Talk | Contribs} 05:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe like other in-game items and vehicles (swords in Halo 1, for example, or Longswords/Pelicans), you just won't be able to use them out of cutscenes or only have other characters use them on you. Bronzey 05:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Regardless, it seems to me the device is best used when assaulting a Wraith and its plasma cannon. It makes the Wraith a little less powerful since it has a relatively long reload time, and a player will be able to close the distance quickly after the cannon is expended. Got to wonder if they'll similarly balance the Scorpion. JAF1970 05:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Bubble Shield Device[6] - it has a name :) JAF1970 06:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't neccisarily say it has a short duration. It only dissapeared after the plasma the wraith shot hit it.

Johnson in the ad

I've gone over the ad several times - and I can't hear Johnson's voice anywhere. It's listed as one of the voices in the article, but all I hear are Cortana, the girl from the grassy scene and two other male voices, neither of which sound like him. One of them is probably Stacker, but without confirmation it should still read "two voices". As for Johnson, he's nowhere. Bronzey 06:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Listen to the audio in the commercial; at 0:33-035, Johnson can be heard. Peptuck 06:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Still can't hear him - I hear a voice that isn't Johnson say "Marines, fall back now!", then another one that sounds like Sgt. Stacker say "Any sign of the Chief?", then a third one say "Negative sir, I think we lost him". None of them are Johnson... maybe I'm missing something completely obvious. Bronzey 06:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I hear him. It's very quick - it's almost a grunt, but you can hear him if you listen hard. JAF1970 06:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I think I can hear it... Cortana says "Chief", then Johnson mumbles something that also sounds like "Chief". Meh. Bronzey 07:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

There's emphasis on the "Chief" at the end of "Any sign of the Chief?" that makes me think he's Johnson. It has that unique David Scully articulation going on. Peptuck 09:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I heard it. It's very quick, but you can tell it's johnson if you know when to listen.

Right before the gun is spun into view and before a marine says "Fall back now!" you can hear Johnson say "Chief". Right before the gun is shown, you may have to play it back a few times. TheSittingDuck 22:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Cortana, little girl?

Whoa, just realized the little girl has Cortana's voice, just a little higher pitched. :o JAF1970 18:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Ummm.. I really doubt that. You must have heard her when the BING was still going on in Chief's head. Thats audio adjustment, not voice acting.

The ad was shadow of the past the little girl was unidentified and the boy was little master chief

Really? Can you back this up with actual evidence or are you making stuff up? Peptuck 22:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The assumption is that the girl is Dr. Helasey (or whatever her name was) who was used as the human template for the Cortana AI, and that the boy is John as a kid. Though I suppose it might be possible, there is no way to confirm this without consulting Bungie directly (which would be WP:OR anyway). Best not to make any conclusions as to who the kids are, and just assume--for now--that they're random people. Besides, no one said the ad was supposed to be canon. Ourai ^т _с 22:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone else speculated it could be Kelly (Spartan 114) JAF1970 00:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Um, you realise Dr. Halsey is 20 or 30 years older than John? There's no way that was her. Bronzey 00:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

So? It's a dream/fantasy, not a flashback. Who says it's a real memory? JAF1970 01:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

there is no possible way to determine if it was fantasy. from what i can tell the master chief was knicked out and he relived a childhood memory with unknown little girl. When he woke up he was still rememberin.

Have to point out that the Covenant and Earth were at war for decades. How old is the Master Chief? Earth met the Covies in 2525, Halo takes place c. 2552. It's possibly the Chief is older than thirty and that makes sense, but there's way too much guesswork. My bet is that if they were supposed to be someone, Bungie woulda told us. David Fuchs 20:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Warthog or ATV in the Ad?

Judging from the wheels that got blown off the flipped-over vehicle behind Master Chief, the vehicle is more likely to be the ATV rather than a warthog as mentioned in the Halo 3 wiki article.

Can someone confirm? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.138.191 (talk) 21:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Take a look at this screencap; it's definitely a Hog. Also, watch the trailer again--the wrechage is too large to be from a Mongoose. Ourai ^т _с 21:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Both vehicles are present; the Mongoose is behind the Chief while the Warthog is in front of him. Peptuck 22:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. After watching the trailer, frame-by-frame, again, 160.39 seems to have a point. This image, a self-uploaded screenie of the trailer, shows the wreckage, upside down, of a Mongoose; note the foot pedals, wheels, etc. However, earlier in the ad, it seems to be a Warthog. Has Bungie pulled a fast one? Or am I missing something? Ourai ^т _с 22:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit conflict]] Strange. When the camera does a 360 of MC's head while he's still "out of it", I can see neither vehicle nor wreckage of either. Ourai ^т _с 22:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

They are both in there. At the begining, the warthog is behind him. When he grabs the gun then turns to face the morter, the warthog is behind him to the left and out of camera view. The mongoose is revieled in front of him to the right, shortly before it is destroyed.TheSittingDuck 22:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

TheSittingDuck has it right. Master Chief is thrown from the Warthog and winds up less than 10 scale-feet away. He turns away from the Warthog to retrieve the Assault Rifle, and at this point is facing the general direction of the Mongoose ATV which is more than 10 scale-feet away. When the camera pans out, the Warthog is obscured from view on the left-hand side of the shot. Amalga 18:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Headline text

I noticed that the Master chief might no longer have the mysterious hammer space that every game charater has and a probable explanation for where they might go.

points of evidance: The Master chief is seen with more then one weapeon

A Sheild bomb, A Pistol and a Rifle

Now if you watch and listen closely you can see that the Master Chief places his Rifle on his back along with a sort of magnet sound which might point to weapons that you pick up ingame might always be visible on your back.

i'd just thought i write about it because no-one has yet

Yes, Bungie has confirmed that already. Small weapons like pistols and SMGs will go in holsters, bigger ones on MC's back. Bronzey 02:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

So he can carry four weapons now i guess. Two holster, one on back, and one in his hands. Maybe that is what the x button will be for. changing from single to duel wield weapons.Spartan282 04:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

- No, Bungie has only confirmed the limited use of two weapons for the players. So far, in Halo 3, I don't think you can store dual-wieldable weapons. Tonster 23:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

While I do think we should be allowed to carry dual weapons given the new holster system, this is correct. There's absolutely no word pointing to 4 weapons so far. And even if we did get 4 guns, that would still just be 2 "slots"- only with both slots now being able to hold dual wieldables, potentially.75.7.195.17 17:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

13 brutes not 12

Sorry but there are 13 brutes not 12 in the picture on the halo 3 article so someone should correct the mistake. Spartan282 04:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

yeah this guy is right i counted 13. -zach

I count fourteen, including the Hammer wielder. The fourteenth one is easy to miss; if you go to the frame where MC jumps off the cliff, with the camera following from behind, you'll catch a glimpse of him (it?) on the far right next to the Wraith. Ourai ^т _с 06:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Halo 3 Mad World

Okay, this has nothing to do with editing the page, but check this out - apparently Mad World fits perfectly with the Halo 3 ad as well lol Mad Ring World JAF1970 15:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Some questions regarding the weapons...

Yea, I'd like to know what this "General-Purpose Machine Gun" is. I think the SMG is the only machine gun in the game. Also why are things seen in the CGI commercial being added as weapons? I don't think some hammer some guy has should be in weapons, a long with a shield. Unless there are valid sources for believing this of course.--Silent Xenocide 21:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

A SMG isn't a machine gun, (it's a Sub-Machine Gun). For a notice, the M247 GPMG is a mounted turret for defense, as seen in numerous pics of High Ground. Tonster 23:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Does the advertisement itself not count as a "valid source"? A gravity hammer is a weapon, yes? And a new section does not need to be created just for one extra shield feature. Removing these from the article is not acceptable, as they are present and irrefutable content. Until we receive word that they are not going to be in the game, we should keep them. Peptuck 08:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

What makes it a gravity hammer? A brute is holding it? Does that mean they are special brute wraiths, that brutes use? As far as I can see, until Bungie says its a gravity hammer, it is a special brute ornamental glove, and doesn't belong in confirmed weapons. WookMuff 11:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's a hint: that it looks exactly like Tartarus' Gravity Hammer? I suppose those weapons the Brutes are wielding aren't spikers, just because we haven't gotten confirmation that they are't silly-string launchers being fielded by the Brute Happy Dance Corps that just happen to look exactly like spikers? What about the pistol the Chief is wielding, I suppose it might not be an M6D even though it bears a strikingly similar resemblence to the M6D right down to sight and trigger guard. The weapon the Brute leader is wielding is a Gravity Hammer. I'm adding it back in until Bungie says its something else or says it won't be in the game. Peptuck 14:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: I've modifieid the hammer entry to say that it is simply a "Brute hammer" that resembles the Fist of Rukt used by Tartarus. Until we get more information, we don't know what its name it, what capabilities it has, or even if it usable by the player. Peptuck 14:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no issue with brute hammer, because thats what is shown, a hammer held by a brute. I just have an issue with adding a specific weapon based on a split-second viewing in what can't be the best of circumstances (unless you have a way better clip than I) WookMuff 16:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

It could have always just have been put into the section about the commercial. I don't think that something should be included in the weapon section unless it is actually confirmed to be in the game. After all that whole section is called 'Confirmed Elements'. Just because some random Brute in a CGI commercial holds a hammer, does not mean it will be in the game. Just like it is pretty obvious that a Plasma Rifle will be in the game, but I don't see this in the weapons section. But oh well.--Silent Xenocide 04:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I heard somewhere that the bubble shield will not be in the game. I'm not sure though. cyclosarin 09:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's just bungie being awkward, I read that too, they didn't rule it out but didn't confirm it as being "in game" they just said that the advert was "not gameplay". As for the machine gun, what about the assault rifle? That's fully automatic. James086^{Talk | Contribs} 11:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

There's a difference between a machinegun and an assault rifle. At the very least, in gameplay terms, the machinegun is a mounted turret while the AR is portable. Peptuck 14:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh my god you people have it ALL WRONG

Look, there will be a beta yes, but that will only open this month. As for the demo is SPRING, that will actually be a public download on the xbox live marketplace. Dragong4 01:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

No, you can sign up for the beta now, which will take place during spring 2007. It won't be available for people to just download on the marketplace.--24.207.43.114 06:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

ESPN Trailer

It needs to be noted that the young boy is John, aka Master Chief, this is the first time we have ever seen his face regardless of age. This is known because its the chief who hears the little girls voice echo in his head. Also the little girl whispers to the chief, "Time to go." which is followed by Cortana saying "Chief, leave!" and then Sargent Johnson saying, "Chief?" these need to be added to the article entry, these all take place before the "I think we lost him." The little girl in the beginning could also be one of the female spartans mentioned in the books. Also on a side note as far as the "new" chieftan is concerned it is possible that Tartarus never died, as this is never seen in the end of Halo 2, and the Gravemind could have caught him like he did the Arbiter and the Chief. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Optronix (talk • contribs) 13:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

We can't add it to the article unless it is confirmed. Bungie has not confirmed if the boy is John, even after being specifically asked see here. Although I have no doubt that you are correct, we can't add it to the article because it is speculation. James086^{Talk | Contribs} 13:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Just a note, it seems that the trailer most likely takes place entirely on Earth, and Master Chief never set foot on Earth (so far as has yet been revealed). Cheif was born on a colony world, and lived on Reach until much later in life (circa Halo 2, in fact- he'd probably never been to Earth before that). Also, Fall of Reach explicitly says Chief was the largest and toughest kid among his playmates- the kid in the trailer isn't especially big or tough-looking. There are many reasons to think Chief isn't the kid in the trailer. Not the least of which is that IT'S PROBABLY A **** METAPHOR, PEOPLE! EVERY BOY ON EARTH *IS* CHIEF BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL FIGHTING FOR HUMANITY'S FUTURE AND [/you get the idea- use your imagination a bit].75.7.195.17 17:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It really does look like a simple embodiment of irony. The kids are wondering what is out there, even going so far as wanting to find out. Lo and behold, they find out and are far from pleased.
Though, it could also be speculated that these kids are on a pre-glassed Harvest. Harvest was the first human colony that had a recorded Covenant attack. It's unlikely that the boy in the video is John--he looks at least eight years old, and by the time John had reached that age he'd be well into training (and well enough versed by Deja on orbital confrontation). I think they are just civilian children in the pre-Covenant era. Amalga 16:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

makes sense, but the other quotes need to be added, the little girl whispering is very quiet, and can only be heard through headphones, as is the case with Srgt. Johnson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Optronix (talk • contribs)