Talk:Centennial Hall (Wrocław)

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On the title

How about moving the article to Hala Stulecia ? --Lysy^talk 07:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, the current name is Hala Ludowa, but a redirect seems a good idea. Karol 18:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the title be Centennial Hall ? That's the name used in the UNESCO article, which refers to The Centennial Hall (Jahrhunderthalle in German and Hala Ludowa in Polish).

Also Great Buildings Online uses "Centennial Hall".

Amazon.com for Centennial Hall Max Berg: 4 books on architecture.

Amazon.com for Hala Ludowa: 4 books (2 on architecture, a travel book with "Centenary Hall (Hala Ludowa)", and a memoir).

Google Print for "Centennial Hall" "Max Berg": 5 books on architecture.

Google Print for "Hala Ludowa": 2 books (a travel book and a memoir).

Google Print for "Hala Stulecia": nothing.

Google Print for "Peoples Hall" "Max Berg": nothing.

Google Print for "People's Hall" "Max Berg": nothing.

Regards, Evv 01:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anglicize

Per above discussion. Please. Dr. Dan 06:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think a WP:RM request would be in place here. --Lysy^talk 08:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed Lysy, can you implement it I'd like to see how it's done. Not sure on the procedure. Dr. Dan 02:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just watch me :-) --Lysy^talk 07:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Dr. Dan 13:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Move. Regarding the disambiguator, it seems that the Wrocław one is the most important object of this name, so (Wrocław) doesn't seem called for (ergo, the dab page will be moved first). Duja► 10:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hala Ludowa → Centennial Hall — Anglicize. Also, the name used in the UNESCO World Heritage Sites list. —--Lysy^talk 07:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Support It should be in English on the English wikipedia. If anything maybe it should be moved to just Centennial Hall rather than Centennial Hall in Wroclaw? Just like the Eiffel Tower and the Big Ben are simply called by their name in the articles I don't think the name of the city is neeeded. JRWalko 16:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC) Proposal changed per your concerns. Please vote again. --Lysy^talk 04:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ditto. Hala Ludowa is meaningless to an English speaker, nor is it, it's original name. Operative issue is UNESCO English name. Location of the hall is unecessary in name of article (the dissambiguation examples are very weak and not true names of the other halls). Dr. Dan 00:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC) Proposal changed per your concerns. Please vote again. --Lysy^talk 04:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Still support based on the arguments in the discussion below. JRWalko 16:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Per nom. --Lysy^talk 16:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Hard to argue with UNESCO and WP:UE.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 17:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ditto. Dr. Dan 15:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support in general, per my December 2006 comment above. However, since there're many other Centennial Halls, I would prefer to have this article under Centennial Hall, Wrocław or Centennial Hall (Wrocław). Then again, my standard for when a subject can be considered a primary topic appears to be higher than the one commonly applied in Wikipedia, so don't pay much attention to this opinion :-) Regards, Ev 12:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Unless one can demonstrate that there is another Centennial Hall on the UNESCO World Heritage Site list, isn't adding it's location in the title a bit of overkill? The Eiffel Tower in Paris? Big Ben in London? The article itself explains its location. Dr. Dan 13:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I thought about Centennial Hall initially, but then I've noticed that the name is already taken, as there are several other, maybe less prominent, Centennial Halls in the US. I'm not sure if there are Eiffel Towers there, too ;-) --Lysy^talk 19:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you trying to say you are not aware of the existence of the Eiffel Tower in Poland? I think the Gliwice Radio Tower is obviously prettier than its French counterpart. On a serious note though I wasn't aware of the other Centennial Halls. Maybe Centennial Hall (Wroclaw) or in fact the original proposal. Either is fine IMO.

Since nobody else voted yet and both Dr. Dan and JRWalko expressed their support for Centennial Hall, I'm going to cancel your votes, and rephrase the original move request. I hope none of you will mind that. --Lysy^talk 04:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Hello, I don't know whether this is the right place for my comment, but this is the first time I contribute. My comment has to do with the contentnion that it was the Polish communist authorities who first called the Centennial Hall the People's Hall. I read somewhere that the name of 'Volk Halle' (spelling? I am not German) had been given to the structure in Hitler's time and that the new Polish authorities merely translated it after the war. After all, they were as 'socialist' as were the National-Socialists. Thx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.31.67.100 (talk) 13:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Was the giant spike in front of the hall removed?

Take a look on these pictures:

And the same place in 2008 (from German Wikipedia)

--MaGioZal (talk) 10:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't. The photographer of the latter image was just standing on the "inside" of the spike, looking towards the hall. (Count the tiles in either image.) --20% (talk) 21:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Organ disposition

The original disposition of the organ was collapsed, leaving the additions hanging in the air. I suggest to collapse both, or nothing. --

Requested move 7 July 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was proposed in this section that multiple pages be renamed and moved.

result:
Moved first proposal to Centennial Hall (Wrocław) per consensus garnered below. The dab page will remain at the base name. Kudos to all editors for your input, and Happy, Healthy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 21:39, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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– Moved by user CzeCze11 without pervious discussion. "Centennial Hall" is the official name in the UNESCO heritage list. Andrei (talk) 14:21, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:49, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Centennial Hall titles a page with significant content and so is ineligible as a target "new" page title unless it is included in this request. This proposal has been modified to reflect that fact. P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 00:31, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew J.Kurbiko and Andrew J.Kurbiko: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew J.Kurbiko: Centennial Hall is now occupied by a disambiguation page, which seems about right because there are many other Centennial Halls. Centennial Hall (Wrocław) is an option, though. Lennart97 (talk) 14:47, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the move as proposed, because this particular Centennial Hall is obviously not the primary topic for the term. Support move to Centennial Hall (Wrocław) as it does seem the building is commonly known in English as "Centennial Hall", for example by Unesco. Lennart97 (talk) 11:33, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is no any other hall with such name which would have similar importance and number of publications--Andrei (talk) 07:27, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I may have a !vote later on, but I will note that this page was previously at the base name Centennial Hall, as requested, before the undiscussed recent move mentioned in the nomination. Not saying that is necessarily the outcome I support, but should there be no consensus that was the previous stable situation.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:35, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I support a move to Centennial Hall (Wrocław), as this appears to be the common name in English language sources, but weakly oppose a move back to just Centennial Hall, as based on usage there does not seem to be a clear primary topic (this one probably has the slight edge, but not overwhelmingly). As noted above, however, the move I oppose is the stable situation that represents the previous consensus.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:40, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Centennial Hall (Wrocław) but leave the DAB as it is. My Google searches seem to show that, when primary sources and Wikipedia articles are excluded, in English Hala Stulecia more commonly refers to the nearby bus stop anyway. Andrewa (talk) 15:10, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.